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1y ago

Chrome not proceeding with Web Integrity API deemed by many to be DRM

9to5google.com Chrome not proceeding with Web Integrity API deemed by many to be DRM

Back in July, Google's work on a Web Integrity API emerged and many equated it to DRM. The company announced today it's not proceeding...

Chrome not proceeding with Web Integrity API deemed by many to be DRM

The Chrome team says they're not going to pursue Web Integrity but...

it is piloting a new Android WebView Media Integrity API that’s “narrowly scoped, and only targets WebViews embedded in apps.”

They say its because the team "heard your feedback." I'm sure that's true, and I can wildly speculate that all the current anti-trust attention was a factor too.

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K, I'm still not using Google search engine anymore. And once I find a replacement for any other Google services and devices I have, it's out with those as well.
- Both leaving reddit and leaving google s.e. were two things that I thought would be harder than they were.
  
  Just need to install Linux as your primary OS and your transition to software freedom will be complete.
  
  Doing so on the desktop is easy enough. Getting rid of Android appears to be a much harder challenge, though.
  
  Android is opensource. You can get phones that support ROMs like LineageOS (would recommend a FairPhone) or /e/ (godawful name, good ROM) for example - you can buy the Murena phone for this.
  Linux phones are about 5 years away from mainstream usability, IMO.
  
  I'm really looking forward to Linux phones. Have been for years. It's sad that Mozilla and Canonicals ventures didn't pan out because both had really fun ideas. Hell I say they had the right ideas, it just wasn't the right time.
  
  Until banking apps except the use of custom ROMs it will be a major stumbling block to switching to them.
  
  I've never had an issue using banking apps from Lineage. I use 3 different pretty mainstream ones
  
  I have 3 banking apps installed right now through Aurora Store (FLOSS access to Google Store). They work fine. The only bank that didn't like my degoogled phone, I dropped.
  
  Monesse, Monzo and Revolut all refused to work for me. They're mobile-only banks so maybe that's the reason.
  
  Revolut has worked for me no problem 🤔 What problems did you face?
  
  I second the recommendation for Fairphone w/ CalyxOS. Feels just like having a Google Pixel running Android. Just way way more private.
  
  Linux phones are about 5 years away from mainstream usability, IMO.
  Is this gonna turn into a new meme?
  
  Maybe 😄
  
  I have tried /e/ os, I have found it to be meh
  
  I’ve tried running Replicant and degoogled Lineage OS on an old Samsung phone many years ago. The experience was a bit rough, but tolerable as long as you’re a tech enthusiast and willing to make some sacrifices. Back then it wasn’t quite acceptable to me, because my bank app didn’t work. Then they announced that they were going to phase out the old code paper, so authentication through a mobile app was seen as the only acceptable method going forward.
  
  Fingers crossed that linux gets better support and development on phones
  
  Lemmy has a hate boner for Apple but iOS is dope
  
  Apple is not much different than Google
  
  Heaps better when it comes to data collection and privacy, if you’re concerned about that.
  
  their privacy policy is not much different.
  
  You’re arguing in favor of an advertising company?
  
  You appear to be doing something similar.
  
  I can reccommend graphene os however u need a pixel for that
  
  I use it for work but at home with gaming and stuff it's just not sustainable
  
  Proton keeps getting better and better. I long for the day when I can ditch windows completely and it might not be too far away.
  
  If by "not too far away" you mean "5+ years ago," then sure. That's how long I've been gaming Linux-only, anyway.
  
  Is it possible to mod Bethesda games on Linux?
  
  Yes, I've done it myself following some tutorials online for Skyrim SE. It's not as simple as on Windows but it's definitely possible.
  
  Cool, I'll have to look into that. That's mainly what's keeping me from going entirely Linux. I run Mint on my laptop.
  
  Yeah you just use Mod Organizer 2 same as on Windows.
  
  How’s Factorio on Linux?
  If I can play that I’ll move.
  
  it's native since inception, i believe
  prolly even runs better than on windows, although it doesn't really matter since it's so freaking optimized
  
  It works perfectly fine for me.
  
  Proton can also be used by other tools like Bottles. It's very similar to Lutris but with a more general purpose focus, rather than just gaming.
  
  What games do you play that aren't compatible? I don't play many of the really mainstream games. I think the last game I played that wasn't compatible at the time was genshin impact.
  
  Leaving google isn't hard.
  Leaving YouTube specifically, however... Well, it's been getting easier as content seems to be less and less frequent or quality.
  
  I use piped/newpipe etc. and simply support creators i watch via patreon/direct donations/merch. Less money for shitty ad company more money for creatives.
  
  Maps is the last one to replace. There are so many ads now that I'll tolerate a lower quality alternative.
  
  There's are some OpenStreetMap-based apps that are worth checking out. Some of them are made for specific purposes, while other are for general navigation. I've tried some of them through the time with various success, though I've still haven't found a favorite to stick with for good. But I believe making the switch is definitely possible and probably worth it!
  You can install all the mentioned apps through F-Droid:
  GraphHopper Maps
  OsmAnd+
  Organic Maps (hike/bike)
  Alpi Maps (hike/bike)
  SeaMapDroid (nautical)
  Additionally, use Transportr for public transport navigation almost anywhere in the world, and GMaps WV, a restricted WebView wrapper for accessing the web version of Google Maps. Intended for use when OpenStreetMap isn't enough.
  
  I use OSMAND
  
  I can definitely recommend maps.me it's a great app with default offline maps. It was a great tool when traveling abroad without internet
  
  This is true, I still use youtube and I don't see it changing soon since there are no viable alternatives.
  
  Closest I'd say would be a service like Odysee. Can't really say whether their practices are better than yt or not, but I can at least confirm I've found a few channels I don't wanna sub to on yt also have accounts on Odysee. As to whether or not they made those accounts/channels is a different story.
  
  Peer tube but no one actually makes content for it far as I can tell.
  
  and you can't watch content from other instances right?
  
  Personally, I can’t imagine what is on YouTub that’s worth watching. I don’t know, I haven’t used it in ages.
  
  VSauce2 is so weird. His topics are interesting and research behind the vids is done well, but the presentation is, well, not for me. Too many jump cuts and "reveals".
  
  I think that's unfair, there is so much content there and so many content creators that saying there is nothing worth watching just comes out as snobbish.
  
  The sheer variety is the key to YouTube’s dominant position. Whatever subject you want to watch something about, there’s a very good chance you’ll find it.
  
  GraphHopper
  I can't speak for your particular interests, but in my experience there is something for pretty much every niche. That's what keeps YouTube in their dominant position as well.
  
  Leaving YouTube specifically,
  https://grayjay.app/
  I've been using it. It's actually pretty great.
  
  Nebula is a good alternative
  
  I still worry that leaving Reddit is going to make it tilt to the right. I spent a decade posting there in the hopes that it would nudge people towards sanity.
  
  I think it probably already is somewhat, but there comes a point where trying to change the system from within becomes futile and complicit.
  I'd rather be out here making a better place.
  
  The right use it and all other social media sites for coordinated disinformation. No matter how much you try to combat it you're going up against people/ideas with deep pockets and a lot of resources meaning your voice is just a drop in the bucket.
  
  Sure, but there are a lot more of us, and we make more sense.
  It's important to present people with the contrasting view when they're presented with disinformation. It's natural to believe the first thing you read if it's just a narrative with no dissent.
  
  leaving reddit is easy leaving google is pretty damn difficult
  
  The hard part is the cost difference (I haven't looked terribly deeply yet) Family Proton (3TB) is 395 AUD (when you sign up for 2 years)
  2 TB, 125 AUD per year for google drive, and it's per year.
  Pro-rata that's literally twice as expensive, and you have to sign up for 2 years to get that rate, which makes moving my stuff a hard pill to swallow :(
  Is there a plug and play service that's as good as proton without the hefty premium?
  (The single plans are even more steep, 24 months, 158 AUD per year for only 500 GB...)
- This is something I wrote in another thread earlier but it's relevant here too
  A security guy popular in the internet, Ollam, recently left Delta's program because they are changing it to be more pay to play vs miles traveled or something. Delta walked it back but he's sticking to his guns. In his rant, he said something poignant. Something to the effect of "if your significant other raises their hand like they're gonna hit you, but they don't? The time to leave is now." (Video)
  (Quote)
- I replaced gmail with protonmail and everything else with nextcloud. Couldn't go back.
  
  Hosting your own nextcloud I’m guessing?
  If so how did you install it?
  
  Their docker stack is pretty simple to setup
  
  Nope, I don't have a server and I also want to secure my files in a different location so I paid for hetzner.
  
  After a lot of privacy switching I finally did try NextCloud, but I couldn't get port forwarding to work on my Internet and gave up... For now
  
  You are probably behind a nat. I contacted my isp and they disabled it, since it works perfectly!
  
  What do you mean nat? For me there is an app with an option (apparently no other way) and it didn't worj
  
  Compare what your router reports as ip and compare what your public ip is. If its not the same then that means you are behind a nat(?)(or something else) and you can't port forward now.
  
  Question: can email from gmail be imported into proton mail?
  
  Yes, they even have a walk through on how to do it.
  https://proton.me/support/switch-from-gmail-to-proton
  
  Based
- Honestly. Off the back of this debacle I switched to Firefox and duckduckgo. Previously I used to use the shit out of incognito because I hated that when I searched for something once that I then get that thing popping up everywhere else in ads etc. Since the switch I no longer get the feeling of being stalked.
  
  NoScript helps a lot, too. I suppose other extensions also. It’s horrifying how many sites embed Google and Facebook tracking, including ones that really shouldn’t like medical sites and banks.
  
  DuckDuckGo has an extension that blocks trackers.
- My concern is saving my email and photos before my account is randomly banned one day with no customer service and no recourse. God only knows what data they already harvested from when I used to back up my photos with their service.
  
  Just grab a copy using Google Takeout, then after that use Syncrify, FolderSync, Resilio Sync or something else to automatically copy your phone media to your computer.
  
  Definitely the first step is to get more SSDs. I was traveling a lot and barely used a desktop or even a laptop for 6-7 years. I’ll check out those sync systems, thanks.
- On the topic of this, what is the best alternative out there? A few years ago I've tried a couple options, out of curiosity, but the search quality was super poor for anything that's not in English, and the accuracy of found content wasn't always there
  
  I reckon Kagi is the best search engine out there. It's paid though. Second I'd have Qwant followed by DDG.
  
  Best? Kagi. Best free? Probably bing or searx
- https://ecosia.org as a search engine :) Uses bing in the background (and newly also google), but your data isn't sold (AFAIK).
  Or https://duckduckgo.com
  If you want opensource there's YaCy
  
  I'm on Kagi but I did the one time payment and am unsure about whether I'll extend. Results are good but 10 dollars a month isn't insignificant (cheap plan is orders of magnitude less than what I need in searches)
  
  I tried kagi and wasn't impressed. For all but one or two queries the results were exactly the same as ddg. Not to mention they had that stupid metric stating 78%+ unique kagi results for every search, even though that was blatantly untrue. They seem pretty dishonest as a company.
  
  I used Ecosia for a long time (almost 5 years) but the search results are pretty bad. Often I had to use another search engine to actually find what I was looking for. DuckDuckGo is pretty good, Brave Search is OK as well but SearXNG is my personal favorite.
- I adjusted my entire digital life so I can do everything without ever connecting to Google services. I block them in my self-hosted Pi-Hole, on NextDNS and in my OPNsense Firewall.
  
  I refuse to use services that force me to surrender to Google. Why don't people use hCaptcha, it's not perfect, but it's far better than this Google garbage...
  
  That's why I isolate my financial stuff from everything else, separate device with a separate browser, separate dedicated IP address, etc.

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