Trump Was ‘Not Going To Leave’ The White House, Lawyer Testifies In Georgia Case
Jenna Ellis told investigators a senior White House aide insisted to her that Trump was just going to “stay in power” despite losing the 2020 election.
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... but he did.
And he is in active litigation to face the consequences...
This massive push to make Trump the big bad wolf as scary as possible to scare people into voting for Biden when they fundamentally disagree with his actions is really getting ridiculous.
Cheeto and his buffoon squad are not competent enough to be nearly as dangerous as the media is trying to scare us into believing.
Their "coup" was just walking into the capitol, literally smearing shit on the walls, and then getting locked up in prison for doing it. Really makes me believe they can end America.
Don't get me wrong, it will be a shitty 4 years, but Biden has done this to us, and life will go on.
Weird way to minimize an attack on the country.
You are downplaying an attempted auto-coup. His actions are very real, and very dangerous and cannot be over exaggerated. Half the country is ready to crown this guy Imperator and here you are saying its blown out of proportion. Somehow our democracy survived, we won't always be that lucky. Trump is still in front of our faces now because he has very wealthy and influential backers. Whoever they are they want him in power, and that should be sounding enough alarms for you to grasp the seriousness of this situation. He is telling us what he wants to do, don't pretend like its no big deal.
Somehow our democracy survived
Frankly this remains to be seen...
The number of people attacking and attempted to alter America's fundamental democratic systems in their favor is still frighteningly and disgustingly high. We are nowhere near in the clear, especially with so many knuckle-dragging morons willing to overlook the facts and undermine the truth in order to push their political agenda.
I really wish I could say that the only problem was the Trump people (who as of right now having Trump polling better than Biden, by the way), but the sad truth is that there are people like Melkath here who are seemingly more than happy to see an emboldened, unhinged, untethered and outwardly vindictive version of Trump rise to power once again, surrounded by even more like-minded yes-men than ever before.
Trump and the people around him made it abundantly clear to everyone that he had no intention of conceding in 2016 or 2020, even before election day. His actions and words on and after election day in 2020 made it even more obvious that he had no intention of facilitating a peaceful transition of power to any other government. Why on Earth would anyone even dare to seriously suggest that he would be willing to do so in 2028 under any circumstances?
We would truly be the world's dumbest country to allow someone like him to take hold of power once again, especially knowing that he would be doing so with less constraints and even less intent to ever relinquish power to anyone else (Republican or Democrat, by the way). And yet here we are once again, at the start of an election year listening to dipshits and assholes on the internet (perhaps disingenuously) undermine the seriousness of the threats that we face.
The time to tolerate and humor these brazenly foolish ideas is long past, imo.
In 2024 you're either on team Biden or team Trump, and anyone who is on Trump's team is an enemy of democracy no matter what form of twisted bullshit rhetoric they decide to use to justify it.
I'm sorry to say it, but you're a bad joke.
This massive push to make Trump the big bad wolf as scary as possible to scare people into voting for Biden when they fundamentally disagree with his actions is really getting ridiculous.
Cheeto and his buffoon squad are not competent enough to be nearly as dangerous as the media is trying to scare us into believing.
To describe a first-hand account from a witness' sworn testimony in a legal proceeding as a "massive push" or something the "media is trying to scare us into believing" shows that you have a very weak grasp on media literacy. The last thing you should be attempting to do is create narratives on behalf of Trump--he already has an army of useful idiots downplaying his fascist actions, so he doesn't really need you.
Their "coup" was just walking into the capitol, literally smearing shit on the walls, and then getting locked up in prison for doing it.
An unsuccessful coup is still a attempted coup, just like an unsuccessful murder is still an attempted murder.
Not to mention that you're downplaying what happened on election day, on and around January 6th, and multiple points in between and since. Here's a small sample of actions by Trump and his allies:
I could do more, but frankly I don't have all day to fight against stupid disingenuous bullshitters. I'm sure that you know all of this stuff already, because it's not like it isn't common knowledge. So I guess the real question is, "why lie about it?".
Maybe it's because you want Trump and his increasingly fascist supports to further take control of the United States government. But either way, it's not Biden who is damaging the country, it's the fascists who support Trump, and the ignorant/complicit people like you who un/knowingly empower them.
One thing is for sure, the next Trump administration is showing many signs of being more fascist, more authoritarian, more autocratic, and more dangerous than the last. And I personally don't believe that he and the people who support him have any intention of ever allowing for a peaceful transition of power to any other democratically elected leader, based not on some kind of "lugenpresse narrative", but purely on their own actions and words.
Just walking into the Capitol... And injuring 138 police officers, hospitalizing 15 of them.
Right.
Just walking into the Capitol... and injuring 138 police officers, hospitalizing 15 of them... in an attempt to stop the certification of a democratic election and inject multiple slates of fake electors into the process until the waters are muddied to the point where the outcome is decided by the Republican controlled House of Representatives.
Here's an organization that studies and categorizes Coup d'État against a specific set of criteria.
Here is their statement about Jan 06.
That statement provides links to their methodology and dataset, as well as other details.
Here is an excerpt:
The Cline Center’s Coup d’État Project is the world’s largest global registry of failed and successful coups. The Cline Center defines a coup as an “organized effort to effect sudden and irregular (e.g., illegal or extra-legal) removal of the incumbent executive authority of a national government, or to displace the authority of the highest levels of one or more branches of government.” To be categorized as a coup, an event must meet the following criteria (which are detailed at greater length in the Coup d’État Project codebook):
There must be some person or persons who initiated the coup.
The target of the coup must have meaningful control over national policy.
There must be a credible threat to the leaders' hold on power.
Illegal or irregular means must be used to seize, remove, or render powerless the target of the coup.
It must be an organized effort.
Summary
Using the Cline Center’s Coup d’État Project definitions, the storming of the US Capitol Building on January 6, 2021 was an attempted coup d’état: an organized, illegal attempt to intervene in the presidential transition by displacing the power of the Congress to certify the election. In terms of the type of coup attempt, the complex nature of this event leads it to be categorized as both an attempted auto-coup and as an attempted dissident coup, reflecting the separate activities of distinctive actors involved in the event.
I'm not saying a group of bumpkins didn't storm the Capitol.
I am not saying that is acceptable.
I am saying that life went on (for everyone except that one woman), justice was served, and Trump doesn't scare me enough to vote for a genocidal maniac.
Trump, the one wanting to ban Muslims, is the genocidal maniac, right? Because Biden supporting Israel is shitty, but recently he has been putting pressure for a cease-fire. I'll take the old fart that adapts rather than the old fart who wants to shove the nation up his asshole and clench.
Hold up. Let's be 100% real about the situation in Gaza for a minute: it takes both parties to arrange a ceasefire.
Those parties of course being the Israeli government (still regrettably under the impotent-feeling, "security"-focused war monger Netanyahu, by the way) and Hamas (a group that was founded on antisemitic genocide, who recently waged the largest mass killing of innocent Jews since the Holocaust, who still holds somewhere upwards of 400 innocent hostages somewhere in Gaza, and who have themselves rejected the idea of a peaceful solution to the current situation).
That's right--both the Netanyahu administration and Hamas represent one-time democratically elected but largely corrupt regimes who ran on their extreme and staunchly militant approaches to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They both did things to prop each other up and to push the region towards militant extremism. They both wanted a fight, and it's not really a surprise that a fight is exactly what we've ended up with.
As America is a key ally to Israel, obviously the Biden administration has a lot of potential (though not infinite, as we've seen time and again) to pressure the Netanyahu admin. But they certainly don't have enough sway to get Israel to give up their counter-assault on Hamas, and especially to take back the hundreds of civilian hostages who are being held in Gaza. Furthermore, the countries that have sway over Hamas (like Iran, Russia to name two big ones) have made no attempt to get Hamas to back down, and in fact all signs show that they have been helping Hamas and cheering them on.
Kushner-esque naivety and ignorance aside, there is no push-button solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict today and there never has been. They are clearly further from peace than they have been for decades, and neither side is willing or ready to back down. A ceasefire is not on the cards, and it won't be until Israel and Hamas come to some kind of agreement.
The people who understand this simple and sad truth are just being realistic. People want to complain about Biden, but at the same time why is nobody acknowledging that his position on this is currently no different than that of Bernie Sanders? Are people going to sit here with a straight face and call Bernie a "genocidal maniac" too?
Almost mobody likes what they're seeing in Gaza (other than Putin and Iran), but anybody who says that there's a American-oriented, simple, unilateral, turn-key solution to stopping the violence is just plainly talking out of their ass.
All I'm saying is pressure from your sugar daddy helps.
Sure, it helps on one side of the equation, but on the Hamas side their sugar daddies are seemingly only pressuring them to go further do more.
Its because they're fifty years into trading eyes for eyes. Nothing will be good at this point.
This is the nuance I came to this site for, thank you.
Didn't the trump cucks kill a cop too?
Not that I recall.
One sad woman got 1 tapped and they scattered like cockroaches.
Link it if I'm wrong.
Nah why don't you do your own research. I got better things to do than do research for some lazy troll arguing in bad faith. Please do LSD or mushrooms to gain empathy and become a real human being who cares about others.
So my recollection is correct.
And also, the irony of someone telling me to get empathy to convince me into supporting a genocide like them. Height of irony.
Your recollection is incorrect, one officer died the following night as a result of his injuries. Two others also killed themselves within a week of it.
Also where the fuck is anyone discussing genocide here? Nevermind, I see you're using Biden's position on Israel/Palestine as a shitty rhetorical deflection.
Thanks for the correction. 2 people died, not 1. Dude further up was correct. 1 woman shot. 1 officer bludgeoned in the head. Shit smears on the walls. Bitches scurrying like cockroaches when the woman got shot.
Also, you're right. Crossed wires with other threads I'm responding to. Though I still think this article is part of a campaign to fluff up Trump and make him look much bigger and badder than he is by the media in an effort to bully us into voting for Biden, despite the genocide, horrible approval ratings, and general overall shitty job at being President.
How can you so non-chalantly dismiss even a disorderly and seemingly disorganized coup attempt? Either you're ignorant of history entirely, have way more trust in those with authority than I do, or you're shilling. I truly cannot think of any other reasons that would make sense.
I've read all your comments in this thread and I'm still convinced it's one of those 3.
Where did I say I support genocide? I didn't. Link it if I'm wrong.
I know you're getting really emotional right now and not thinking clearly, but that's ok. When you are able to clam down I hope you are able to take a logical objective look at the facts with an open mind and heart.
I'm saying that you're drunk.
This is your reaction to "Man almost overthrows centuries of peaceful transition of power, stopped only by a few individuals who refused to cooperate"? That he's not actually dangerous at all?
You are the reason they put warning labels on everything now.
Have you heard of the Civil War?
Brother. We ain't even close to that place.
Americans are too fat and scared.
"It's not bad if it's not literally civil war"
What the heck?
Please read about the militia movement.
Mr. Delusional Downplay Puppet of the Year awards goes to this guy.
History is full of idiots that were looked down upon as too stupid to be really dangerous that, when they got power, decided to make themselves the smartest guys in the room by killing all the "smart" people.
You don't have to be competent to overthrow a government and rein in tyranny. You just have to be able to inflict violence and suffering.
Take a good, long, look at history and realize how absurdly simple it is for people in the right environment to sieze control of a society. It's not nearly what you clearly imagine it to be nor are the perpetrators required to be smart by any means.
Cheeto and his buffoon squad are not competent enough to be nearly as dangerous as the media is trying to scare us into believing.
You forgot about the fact that they successfully divided the nation's wealth among their cronies in the form of tax cuts, permissions to cannibalise the environment for maximum profit, favourable legislation, and that they cemented their views into law for the foreseeable future by illegally staffing the supreme court with their pawns.
Trump seems incompetent (mostly because he is), but he is very effective at doing what his clients need him to do.
This massive push to make Trump the big bad wolf as scary as possible to scare people into voting for Biden when they fundamentally disagree with his actions is really getting ridiculous.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Biden. It has everything to do with Trump being completely unfit for any kind of public office.
If you believe they can't do damage then you're an idiot. They sabotaged the postal service to degrade voting from home during the pandemic, they separated families, they had real plans to arrest critics, they sent in anonymous federal agents to stir shit during protests and picked up people from the street info unmarked vans, and those J6 protestors had real plans to execute politicians.
but Biden has done this to us
Lmao imagine thinking Biden isn't doing an awesome job.
Fuckin leftists I swear lol
Are you a moron or what? WTF are you on about?