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Bulletins and News Discussion from December 9th to December 15th, 2024 - Assad Must Go

Image is of Assad and his family.


After less than two weeks of retreating with few shots fired and little resistance, the SAA has retreated into, well, a state of non-existence. This thereby ends a conflict that has been simmering for over a decade. With the end of this conflict, another begins: the carving up of what used to be Syria between Israel and Turkey, with perhaps the odd Syrian faction getting a rump state here and there. Both Israel and Turkey have begun military operations, with Israel working on expanding their territory in Syria and bombing military bases to ensure as little resistance as possible.

Israeli success in Syria is interesting to contrast against their failures in Gaza and Lebanon. A short time ago, Israel failed to make significant territorial progress in Lebanon due to Hezbollah's resistance despite the heavy hits they had recently taken, and was forced into a ceasefire with little to show for the manpower and equipment lost and the settlers displaced. The war with Lebanon was fast, but still slow enough to allow a degree of analysis and prediction. In contrast, the sheer speed of Syria's collapse has made analysis near-impossible beyond obvious statements like "this is bad" and "Assad is fucking up"; by the time a major Syrian city had fallen, you barely had time to digest the implications before the next one was under threat.

There is still too much that we don't know about the potential responses (and non-responses) of other countries in the region - Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Russia, for example. I think that this week and the next will see a lot of statements made by various parties and an elucidation of how the conflict will progress. The only thing that seems clear is that we are in the next stage of the conflict, and perhaps have been, in retrospect, since Nasrallah's assassination. This stage has been and will be far more chaotic as the damage to Israel compounds and they are willing to take greater and greater risks to stay in power. It will also involve Israel causing destruction all throughout the region, rather than mostly localizing it in Gaza and southern Lebanon. Successful gambles like with Syria may or may not outweigh the unsuccessful ones like with Lebanon. This is a similar road to the one apartheid South Africa took, but there are also too many differences to say if the destination will be the same.

What is certain is that Assad's time in power can be summarized as a failure, both to be an effective leader and to create positive economic conditions. His policies were actively harmful to internal stability for no real payoff and by the end, all goodwill had been fully depleted. By the end, the SAA did not fight back; not because of some wunderwaffen on the side of HST, but because there was nothing to fight for, and internal cohesion rapidly disintegrated.


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  • Not exactly news, but hearing discourse now that countries are planning to send back refugees that have fled with Assads rule as the reason for seeking asylum. Not even a week has passed and the immigration ghouls are already finding ways to use this as a way to turn people away.

    • it was probably part of the plan from the beginning

    • Swedish immigrant office has already "paused" all new syrian asylum cases because "given the current situation, reasons for asylum can't be determined accurately right now"

      • Oh this is so shitty. If the situation of the people there is at all similar to Finland the pause means existing in a limbo where you can't get a bank account, apply for housing or jobs, use any services apart from the few bare minimum ones designated to people without papers. If you are lucky and are given a place in what are basically camps you at least have a roof over your head and get warm meals, but not everyone is in these. Many are living homeless and paperless on the street, waiting for these processes to finish. They drag on for months as it is, on whatever pretence.

      • They let in the headchoppers after their first try but not their victims.

    • The most refugees came after Assad forced pushed back on the terrorists.
      The same big Afghan wave when they kicked the Americans out and the traitors collaborating with them had to run.
      I worked in a refugee center EU, I know what was going on.
      Poor 'German refugees' in Argentina 1944 vibes.
      They were celebrating a literal headchopper AQ/IS takeover 100 meter from where I live yesterday. And in a lot of other European cities I hear.
      If they like it so much much they can fuck right off.

    • I do wonder how that will play out, I mean even in the best scenario for Syria's future you're still looking at a war-thorn country rebuilding (and not being at war). And obviously we don't know what will actually happen, I'd at least wait for the factional struggles to sort themselves out before coming back.

      I can see a lot of the refugees in turkey coming back on their own though since it's closer and they probably don't have as high living standards in turkey as they do in other asylum countries

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