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Bulletins and News Discussion from December 9th to December 15th, 2024 - Assad Must Go

Image is of Assad and his family.


After less than two weeks of retreating with few shots fired and little resistance, the SAA has retreated into, well, a state of non-existence. This thereby ends a conflict that has been simmering for over a decade. With the end of this conflict, another begins: the carving up of what used to be Syria between Israel and Turkey, with perhaps the odd Syrian faction getting a rump state here and there. Both Israel and Turkey have begun military operations, with Israel working on expanding their territory in Syria and bombing military bases to ensure as little resistance as possible.

Israeli success in Syria is interesting to contrast against their failures in Gaza and Lebanon. A short time ago, Israel failed to make significant territorial progress in Lebanon due to Hezbollah's resistance despite the heavy hits they had recently taken, and was forced into a ceasefire with little to show for the manpower and equipment lost and the settlers displaced. The war with Lebanon was fast, but still slow enough to allow a degree of analysis and prediction. In contrast, the sheer speed of Syria's collapse has made analysis near-impossible beyond obvious statements like "this is bad" and "Assad is fucking up"; by the time a major Syrian city had fallen, you barely had time to digest the implications before the next one was under threat.

There is still too much that we don't know about the potential responses (and non-responses) of other countries in the region - Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and Russia, for example. I think that this week and the next will see a lot of statements made by various parties and an elucidation of how the conflict will progress. The only thing that seems clear is that we are in the next stage of the conflict, and perhaps have been, in retrospect, since Nasrallah's assassination. This stage has been and will be far more chaotic as the damage to Israel compounds and they are willing to take greater and greater risks to stay in power. It will also involve Israel causing destruction all throughout the region, rather than mostly localizing it in Gaza and southern Lebanon. Successful gambles like with Syria may or may not outweigh the unsuccessful ones like with Lebanon. This is a similar road to the one apartheid South Africa took, but there are also too many differences to say if the destination will be the same.

What is certain is that Assad's time in power can be summarized as a failure, both to be an effective leader and to create positive economic conditions. His policies were actively harmful to internal stability for no real payoff and by the end, all goodwill had been fully depleted. By the end, the SAA did not fight back; not because of some wunderwaffen on the side of HST, but because there was nothing to fight for, and internal cohesion rapidly disintegrated.


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  • Israeli airstrikes on ex SAA military installations in Syria are continuing. A massive ammunition depot in Tartus was just hit, resulting in a huge amount of secondary explosions from the ammunition cooking off, explosions that may still be ongoing at this time, and hours from now, depending on how much ammunition was stored at the facility.

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    Videos showing secondary explosions, twitter source

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    Anyone living nearby should stay indoors for their own safety for the time being, being hit by a stray artillery round or rocket that went off or is going to go off is a possibility. Some videos of similar strikes in the past have shown rocket artillery cooking off and flying in all directions.

    This video shows an impact alarmingly close to the camera person

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    Managed to geolocate the apparent target by finding some similar looking houses to the photo, and using some preliminary earthquake data posted on twitter (3.0 on the Richter scale apparently), looks like an air defence base/site (or a military installation this air defence system was protecting nearby) visible on Google maps, co ordinates 34.847786N 35.989365E

    A lot of ammunition must've been stored there for such a massive explosion, with secondaries, to occur. I'm guessing the air defence system protecting this site was a S-125 variant based off of the missile shape. While a Soviet era system first produced in the 1960s with a range between 15-35km depending on the variant, it is notable that the S-125 was the system that shot down a stealth F-117 Nighthawk bomber in Yugoslavia, as well as having shot down multiple F-16s during various conflicts. So still capable against modern aircraft in certain situations. With it not being operational, we can see the end result...

    • Kinda wild how "israel" can just bomb another country just like that, even from a "legal" point of view bombing Tartus is completely illegal lmao

      • With no one manning the defences, and the defences being destroyed, it's the inevitable end result. Israel is going to destroy whatever it perceives as a threat (so almost anything given that they're committing genocide in Gaza), and take what it wants. This is how Israel has operated since 1948. This facility was defended in the past by air defence systems, but no longer. And Israel took advantage of that and destroyed it, like they have been doing over the entire week, and will continue to do so until they run out of targets, or someone stops them. Propaganda wise all Israel needs to say is that Syria is currently led by someone who is ex Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusra front, and they don't want the weapons to fall into the wrong hands. So it works out for them domestically.

    • Just saw a video of what appears to be a cooked off rocket hitting a home with people (including children) inside far from the initial blast... It's either a video from a few hours ago, or the secondary explosions are still ongoing. Hopefully everyone stays safe and no one gets hurt, this could get really bad with how close this ammunition depot is to civilian infrastructure if you check the co-ordinates...

      Something needs to be done about Israel just bombing everything throughout the region.. Genocide in Gaza, bombings in Beirut, now Syria getting de-militirised, so much terror.

      Ammunition depots can cook off for hours or even days, as was the case for that Russian ammunition depot Ukraine hit a few months ago. In that Russian case, a local politician was saying everything was fine during a TV interview while you could hear ammunition cooking off in the background.

    • So the USA is running out of weapons to give Israel, right? They're fighting five fronts in every cardinal direction at once and attacking with extreme prejudice in three of those directions. That's not a sustainable pace.

      • Not really if they're using "dumb bombs" fitted with JDAM GPS or Paveway laser guidance guidance kits that turn them into guided bombs. The United States has been building and stockpiling Mark 80 series bombs since the 1950s, and these bombs can be fitted with the above guidance kits to be turned into a guided bomb. The United States have publicly gave Israel over 14 000 Mark 84 2000lb bombs since October 7th, and that's without mentioning smaller variants of the Mark 80 series, or bunker buster variants. Over half a million JDAM kits had been produced in history by the beginning of 2024 according to Boeing's own website. So no, I don't see Israel running out of bombs anytime soon. The only scenario that would occur is if Israel were having to use huge numbers of advanced stand off weapons, but this does not appear to be the case.

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