‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza
‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza
Hamtramck, population 28,000, has new Trump campaign office weeks from election in hopes of gains in swing state
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125
Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT
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Dumb fucks. I hope the leopard fucking devours their faces.
How would you feel if the US was sending weapons to a country that was killing your friends and family? What would you do?
Try to do my best to protect my family by voting for Harris in attempt to keep the situation from getting worse. But I would also vocally say I wasn't going to vote for her in attempt to persuade her.
narrator: and then, under harris, it continued to get worse.
biden admin is about to cause an regional outbreak of war. causing our friends and family to be pulled into it. all because he wouldn't redirect a few boats to ukraine. I have 0 interest in trump but harris needs to pull her head out of her ass and commit to enforcing the leahy law w/ israel.
Vote to hurt more people domestically and continue killing my friends and family… wait…
I sure as fuck wouldn’t throw a fit and upset an already precarious election. There’s no “good people on both sides” bullshit here. One side is being spearheaded by a literal felonious, fascist rapist and they don’t seem to give a shit.
I’m fucking embarrassed to live in this country. It has become a complete joke. But I don’t have the luxury of country-hopping and just saying “peace out” if the worst happens next month. They don’t have to like what this government is doing regarding Israel, but potentially being part of the reason the felon could get elected isn’t going to help them or their families whatsoever.
I feel like the lesser of two evils argument fails at the point of literal genocide and war crimes including intentional strikes on aid workers explicitly approved by the Biden regime. I'm sure Trump won't be better, but it's hard to see how he can be worse. They're burning hospital patients alive in their beds. Asking a Muslim to support this genocidal DNC while they are being genocided is honestly the perfect encapsulation of the "it's your fault you don't want to vote for our shitty do nothing but evil party" logic that has destroyed the democratic brand and empowered a GOP in chaos, who would be losing to a more competently managed party right now.
Trump stated earlier this year that if re-elected, he would ask Israel to make the Gaza issue "go away" in under a week. It's one thing to be supplying the weapons, but quite another to have the most powerful country give their approval to do whatever it takes to end the conflict to Israel's benefit. There was a Palestinian newspaper article I saw a couple months ago that gave the opinion that under Harris they would get bombed, but under Trump they would cease to exist. Of course when I linked that in a similar discussion I was accused a picking my sources, because hey what does a Palestinian newspaper know about Palestine?
but quite another to have the most powerful country give their approval to do whatever it takes to end the conflict to Israel’s benefit.
Israel already has approval! The arguments on the phone are kabuki theater
Trump says a lot of stuff. It's usually awful. But he's not much of a do-er, so I don't think anyone can say exactly what he'd do different (the McGurk monster who is running all of this is a literal Trump first term holdover, so probably the same rabid dog would run the genocide either way). Biden is giving Israel explicit permission for all of this, including striking aid workers. Genocide Joe pretending he's not fully supportive of this doesn't un-burn-alive anyone. Words are wind. War crimes are war crimes. You can't be the "lesser" evil perpetrating a genocide.
Agreed that we don't know unless he's given the chance to try something, but it's not exactly something I'd like to "fuck around and find out". There have been a lot of reports from people who were on his team during his last term that are talking about how he was talked down from extreme actions, and this time his people already know what they're getting in to and are ok with it. I can only hope Harris can be better than Biden, but we do know Trump was willing to let his own nation (California) burn just because they didn't all vote for him.
Only you can decide for yourself what creates enough urgency for you to support a pro-genocide political party. For me there's nothing. I can't control the moral or amoral actions of others but I can control my own. I will not be a party to genocide. Period.
Voting third-party could lead to Trump winning. He has already stated he will cut all support to Ukraine, which also leads to genocide, not to mention what he is threatening to do to everyone of color here at home. Face it, no matter how you vote, you're going to be a party to genocide. The only available option is to vote in favor of the least amount of damage being threatened by all parties. Yes, even Jill Stein is a problem here because her stated purpose is to spoil the Democrat vote (which leads me to distrust her "concerns" over Gaza even if she does have a history of voting against Israel).
Besides which, if you're a US citizen then you've been a party to genocide your entire life, between our direct interference in the elections of other countries, to straight-up installing leaders of our choice, to simply withholding aid to civilians because our government didn't want to step on any toes. You're living the good life because our nation kills people for profit, so don't pretend like you're not already a party to it.
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Trump says a lot of stuff. It’s usually awful. But he’s not much of a do-er
This sure does read a lot like MAGAts saying "he doesn't mean it like that" *when he has repeatedly demonstrated he means the thing he saidď
I'm sure he means it, I also know he's kind of a mess and there being no philosophical underpinning to his movement beyond him won't lend itself to an effective administration when he's out to lunch even more than last time.
Some people can’t/refuse to comprehend that this was the Democrats race to lose. The same was true in 2016, and just like then, they will blame anyone but their own party. They’ll do anything but look in the mirror.
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy
Yes, I love how with no other thing do these people understand that THEY, not Jill Stein or Bernie Sander or Russia are why they lose. A minimally functional DNC would be CLEANING Trump's CLOCK right now, his coalition's in chaos, his policy proposals are unpopular, the DNC has a lack of economy issue polling problem I haven't seen in FOREVER, which speaks to people thinking "You're the FDR party, and the party who stopped the Nazi genocide, can't you save us now?" And the answer is MORE CHENEY!!!! And MORE GENOCIDE!!!!
The New Deal was an attempt to save capitalism from the threat of socialist revolution. The Great Depression left the working class in grave financial straits, and socialism was a foreign & domestic threat. This was before the socialists were purged from labor unions, before the Cold War and the House Committee on Un-American Activities. The Democratic Party didn’t make concessions to the working class out of the kindness of its heart.
Over decades, those temporary concessions have eroded along with any threats to the capital order: the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise the US’s neocolonial hegemony; the end of history. The Democratic party is to the right of Reagan now, and some in the Republican party are itching to remove even the trappings of democracy.
Yup, social democracy and unions were concessions capitalism stopped making once there was no competing ideology after the collapse of communism (current Chinese "Communism" isn't even Fascism as that still had SOME social benefits). I do still think our best hope is do what we did with FDR which is "I don't care about your shitty party, give us material long term policy concessions, and then we can talk"
(current Chinese “Communism” isn’t even Fascism as that still had SOME social benefits)
Not to imply that China is a utopia—as none can exist—but most of our understanding of it comes filtered through Cold War II propaganda, which, in the rear-view mirror, will look about as ham-fisted as the first Cold War’s propaganda does now.
Most Chinese polled actually describe their country as democratic, because they view the state as generally responsive to their needs, and for many of them that matters more than token votes. I would not describe my government as democratic, as I live in a one party rule state where the state and national party dictates the primary winners when they deign to allow them and my vote doesn't count, and at no level is the government I pay taxes to responsive to my needs.
You wanna know how he’ll be worse. You’re going to prison for this post. And you’ll ‘never have to vote again’ for any choice ever. He’s straight up fucking said it. This level of stupidity is un-fucking-fathomable.
Okay, support a genocide out of fear. I won't do that. If I go to jail for that, it is what it is. Only YOU can debase yourself by becoming evil out of fear.
You love genocide so much you hope another one happens here.
What are you talking about? You’re completely missing the point. These people are acting as though they’re not going to be the target of racist assholes if the orange menace wins as a result of them not voting for Harris. Israel is now a terrorist organization as far as I’m concerned, but these dumb shits will only come out worse for wear if Dump wins.
So, I hope their righteousness bites them in the ass for not seeing the bigger picture.
They're the target of racist assholes now and their families are being murdered now. What you hope for is that it gets worse so that they are punished for not being obedient.
No, what I hope for is that they learn a hard lesson from their stupidity. Throwing baby fits right before an election that could very well decide whether we remain (somewhat) democratic is ignorant. I’m no fan of Israel nor of what crimes they’re perpetrating. But I’m also not a fan of people pretending like this isn’t one of the biggest elections in history that could very well be decided due to their fit.
I feel for their people and their families. But I also have family whose lives are at stake with this election. I don’t agree with ANY politician completely. But I also know clearly which one is on the right side of history a whole fuck ton more than the other.
Their families are being butchered, infantilizing them as being too stupid to know what's good for them is actually kinda racist.
I think you just want them to be punished for not bending the knee. It's a revenge fantasy.
The important thing here is that I don't have to be civil to these people. We should shame them at every chance and equate them to literal MAGA. Only then will we win the election, which is what this is about and is not some distraction.
Average democratic party outreach strategies. This would be funny if it wasn't covering for a literal genocide.
I wonder if some of these posters are working for some Hasbara marketing agency. When you cant tell the difference between Dem supporters and far right Hasbara propogandists, things have gone very very very wrong.
I'm sure that shaming them will make them change their minds and will not backfire in any way whatsoever.
Very true. This isn’t a battle they are going to come out on top of by pulling this shit. If not voting blue means a narrow margin of victory for the felon, they will have a whole lot more to worry about after January.