Upon being criticised for their support of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks, tankies unsurprisingly double down
Upon being criticised for their support of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks, tankies unsurprisingly double down
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@archomrade@midwest.social I don't think your post worked out too well 🐔
also I want to point out the amazing differences between these communities. See, you're very much, unapologetically, a tankie, but you're fully allowed to comment and even engage in this community despite your farming and attempted framing that this community is extremist.
Now, if we were to do the same, we'd be defederated. Which we were!
Perhaps you should use the liberty this community has to actually ask for our opinions as opposed to fishing for responses. You'll find we're a very diverse community with many different opinions, some are even communists.
I wouldn't be fishing here if I wasn't getting bites, and I wouldn't have thought to dip my hook in the water if I hadn't seen abundant signs of good fishing.
You are free to create a Hexbear account and contribute however you like. I promise they will answer any questions you have civilly, so long as you don't provoke them. But they've not committed to civility like you've done here, so be careful not to let you mask slip.
You are free to create a Hexbear account and contribute however you like. I promise they will answer any questions you have civilly, so long as you don’t provoke them. But they’ve not committed to civility like you’ve done here, so be careful not to let you mask slip.
I have, and I was, and no, I got perma'd. Four different users also attempted to dox me. I know since I was in their private chatrooms during the time. Seeing them get frustrated when they couldn't do it was very entertaining. They even tried image meta-data, the poor things
And my mask? I don't have a mask. I'm very honest with my views and am willing to share them with anyone who wishes to know.
Can people with views that differ my own have come to those views in an honest and reasoned fashion, even if I think they’re flawed?
Nah, they’re definitely just bad faith fascists hiding their “power level”.
Scary easy to see how easy you end up with thought police when people that think like this hold power.
Extremists tend to think everyone else is as extreme as they are. It's quite sad
I have, and I was, and no, I got perma’d.
Welp, i guess there we have it. I've so far managed to avoid provoking them myself, cross my fingers I don't get on their bad side.
why would you? you agree with them lol. try to say that stalin was a disaster for communism and his dictatorship killed it, then you'll be in trouble
i do like how you ignored mentioning the dox attempts
i do like how you ignored mentioning the dox attempts
I have no way of knowing if that's accurate, nor to i have any way of knowing what it was that got you perma'd.
try to say that stalin was a disaster for communism and his dictatorship killed it, then you’ll be in trouble
I probably wouldn't say that, because the US defeated communism (according to their own accounting). I would tread lightly around anything I may not agree with them on, but I do happen to agree with them on a lot. At least most of them. Half of them. Maybe slightly less than a majority of them.
What can I say, they aren't a monolith.
You can say that Stalin was bad, right?
What can I say, they aren’t a monolith.
But their hatred towards diversity and dissent is
You can say that Stalin was bad, right?
Bad on what grounds? His Soviet project certainly didn't last, I think that failure is bad. He had quite a few deaths under his leadership, that was pretty bad, too. But it'd be crazy to discuss Stalin's failures without acknowledging the post war reality: a depleted and war-torn Russia, former allies (who just dropped two atomic bombs on Japan to make a point) immediately resuming hostilities and sanctions against his fledgling national project, and the isolation that comes with being that cold-war black sheep that nobody wants to play with.
From that perspective it's suddenly not surprising that his project failed, even if you think he committed huge atrocities on the way down
But their hatred towards diversity and dissent is
Nah, they respect dissent if it's well founded. There is plenty of ground for disagreement so long as you don't make grandiose sweeping statements against AES projects or about minority groups, throw the baby out with the bathwater, that kind of thing. We all really want to see an AES project succeed, so it's important to acknowledge the failures where they happen, and see with clear eyes the systemic hurtles that ran them aground. If you think AES projects don't exist and never will, then you will lack the most important commonality they share and will almost certainly be booted out. I think most important to not fucking it up with them is knowing and acknowledging that liberation movements are always violent, even anarchist ones on occasion, and always have the deck stacked against them. Dominant power systems always have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force, so overcoming one will always inevitably cross that line. There are few that have lasted, and even fewer that lasted without the slaughter of some dissenting group or another. Interesting too is how often revolutionary movements spawn counter-revolutionary movements, and that likelihood is a good reason to be an anarchist, if that's your jamb.
But even then, you can be an anarchist and get along with them fine. Just don't go in expecting them to listen to your anti-ML takes without getting the boot right quick. If you disagree with Stalin, you'd better be quick to acknowledge the systemic conditions that contributed to his failure before you get to blaming him for the holomodor lmao. Fair game if you think his leadership decisions were huge mistakes or weren't justified, though they'll probably disagree.
Most days the anarchists just sit there and wait for capitalism to collapse.
Bad on what grounds? His Soviet project certainly didn’t last, I think that failure is bad. He had quite a few deaths under his leadership, that was pretty bad, too. But it’d be crazy to discuss Stalin’s failures without acknowledging the post war reality: a depleted and war-torn Russia, former allies (who just dropped two atomic bombs on Japan to make a point) immediately resuming hostilities and sanctions against his fledgling national project, and the isolation that comes with being that cold-war black sheep that nobody wants to play with. From that perspective it’s suddenly not surprising that his project failed, even if you think he committed huge atrocities on the way down.
If you disagree with Stalin, you'd better be quick to acknowledge the systemic conditions that contributed to his failure before you get to blaming him for the holomodor lmao. Fair game if you think his leadership decisions were huge mistakes or weren't justified, though they'll probably disagree.
damn that didn't take long at all, what is it with you guys and your inability to disavow stalin's atrocities? poor, poor Stalin's USSR was forced to do genocide, they had to kill all those people :(
Lenin is screaming at you
Since you've been banned for this very topic before, this one will last 48 hours. You may request to be unbanned and your comments restored at any time. Something that Hexbear will not give you
You're way too lenient with someone who self admitted to be here to troll.
I am very lenient with them, yeah. It's good to have people with dissenting opinions, even though they're acting in bad faith and have admitted to just fishing for replies. Diversity is key, afterall. Of course, it'll be different if they were insulting every user here and generally being a bad sport.
However, the line is drawn at apologia.
Did you inherit a thousand years of piss-poor takes or are you just great at making shitty opinions?
I promise they will answer any questions you have civilly, so long as you don't provoke them.
You actually believe this?
Maybe?
You should go and try provoking them, see if they still treat you with civility.edit: goat is right, I was using sarcasm and did not indicate that clearly. I do not support going there to cause trouble, but you are absolutely allowed to go there and behave.
No brigading. Brigading is a headache for both admins
this community is an exception, although a rickety one
I've seen how they behave on other instances, no way will they be polite and courteous when someone disagrees with them on home turf.
You just gotta know which things you disagree on, and why they might strongly disagree with you, and not just say "fuck it, imma blast off".
If you go in wanting to make a point then yea. They will not be courteous.
Ah, love this.
'They're fine if you supply evidence to back up your claims'
'Actually if you try to do that then you'll be booted'
Poor thing's got no idea how stupid they sound.