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World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women's events

apnews.com World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women's events

The world’s top chess federation has ruled that transgender women cannot compete in its official events for females until an assessment of gender change is made by its officials.

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World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women's events

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Wow. The argument against trans women in sports is already unscientific enough. Why is chess even split into gendered categories? This just makes zero sense.
- It is generally not, most tournaments anyone can enter. However, there are women-only tournaments because for a lot of social and historical reasons, men dominate the open tournaments.
  Interesting side-note fact on the power of social norms: if a woman and man play without knowing each other’s gender the woman will be more likely to win than she would if either party is made aware.
  
  All the more reason to include trans and nonbinary people then. Blur the lines. Drag should also be encouraged.
  
  Fuck it we should do the masked singer thing for chess. Masked grandmaster!
  
  Seriously, a lot of people would play better chess if they weren't intimidated by their opponent. Unless you consider headology part of the game, the way it is in poker and Cripple-Mister-Onion.
  
  Good thing trans-women haven't ever faced any historical or social oppression /s
- There most certainly is evidence that going through male puberty can confer an advantage in some sports. Not all sports. If there are going to be restrictions placed, I would prefer they be placed by the sports' governing body, who presumably understands how competition works in their sport, based on science.
  In this case, though, it seems to be based on social issues, as some others in this thread have pointed out. There are reasons why the womens-only tournaments were formed in the first place, and some feel that letting trans women in would undermine those reasons. We can't just pretend those reasons don't exist.
  Socially, I have no problem addressing trans women however they want to be addressed, or letting them use whatever bathroom they want. I would prefer to let the governing bodies of individual sports and activities decide what is most fair for all involved, using science. I think politicians should generally get their noses out of all of it, and leave people alone to discover who they are.
  
  using science
  I would love to see the "science" behind this FIDE decision though.
  
  The science here is a bit more roundabout. The women's leagues appears to have been started in the first place (based on some of the other posters here) because males have more success at the highest levels than females. Everyone acknowledges that this gap shouldn't exist, yet we still have it. So it's not a scientific basis justifying the segregation, it's that science can't explain the outcomes, so the segregation was established to try and make the outcomes more equitable.
  Another poster asked whether trans women somehow need to "prove" that they're oppressed to the same extent. And, ultimately, that might be what's required, as absurd as it sounds. Because I think we legitimately don't know whether this male advantage maps to all males, or just those born male.
  Maybe, once we establish some data from more trans women competing at the highest levels, we'll be able to answer that. For now, they made a decision which basically turns the women's leagues into cis-women's leagues.
  
  So it’s not a scientific basis justifying the segregation, it’s that science can’t explain the outcomes,
  Biology can't explain the outcomes (which historically meant women were less likely to compete successfully) but I bet sociology can.
  
  toothless smile
  
  based on social issues,
  What issues?
  There are reasons
  What reasons?
  Prejudice is not a reason, and it's not a valid social issue either.
  
  There are reasons why the womens-only tournaments were formed in the first place, and some feel that letting trans women in would undermine those reasons. We can't just pretend those reasons don't exist.
  Yeah, sadly transphobic bigotry is real and we can't just pretend it doesn't exist, we have to fight against it, but there's no legitimate reason for this
- I believe it's done mainly to encourage women to play. More than any genetic differences like other sports.
  I feel like as it makes very little difference, so letting trans people play either doesn't really matter.
  
  Except it's going to discourage AMAB women from playing, so that excuse for this bigoted policy doesn't hold water

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