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If I have to fact-check the uncited claims made in news articles, doesn't that make me the journalist?

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You'll find "common knowledge" is surprisingly hard to prove when you're wrong. Wikipedia is a big place, if you can find concrete evidence of NYT lying, you can do a lot of reputational damage to them (even as so far as getting them removed as an acceptable source)
- Seeing a lot of bots defend Wikipedia the past couple months. Is that because it’s so easily manipulated by y’all?
  
  Ah yes, beep boop
  
  Seeing a lot of bots defend Wikipedia the past couple months. […]
  How are you determining that they are bots? Would you, by chance, have any examples?
  
  “Astroturfers” may be a more accurate term. Especially in regards to Israel and Ukraine. There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too.
  Whether these commenters are professional astroturfers, or just repeating what they’ve heard from one, I don’t believe it a meaningful distinction to make.
  
  […] The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too. […]
  Can you cite a source for this?
  
  Besides public disclosure documents? Reddit admins accidentally outed them before they started masking their traffic.
  https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
  
  Reddit admins accidentally outed them before they started masking their traffic.
  https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
  Very interesting. Thank you for the link! When digging into this a little more, I came across this Reddit post ^[1], which pointed me to this research paper ^[2] authored, in part, an associate of Eglin AFB ^[2.1].
  
  Besides public disclosure documents?
  Do you have a handy source for those as well? Please don't interpret my prying for sources as sealioning — I'm very curious to read more about this, and I want to make sure that what I find is actually what you are referring to.
  
  […] There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. […]
  Can you cite a source for this?
  
  https://youtu.be/t52LB2fYhoY?si=RAxI3hiPQpElUD1N
  
  Thank you for the source 😊

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