A summary of what happened between Blahaj.Zone and Hexbear.Net
A summary of what happened between Blahaj.Zone and Hexbear.Net
Lots of people who are seeing top-level postings about Hexbear. Net are probably confused about what has been going on and I want to give an SRD-style overview of the whole thing.
Note: As a user of Blahaj.Zone, I am not a neutral party in this and I do not pretend to be. This is how the whole thing has played out from my perspective.
Hexbear. Net is another Lemmy instance that had relatively recently started to federate with Blahaj.Zone and other Lemmy instances. It had previously been known as Chapo.Chat because it began as an instance for fans of the podcast ChapoTrapHouse.
Recently users from Blahaj.Zone (as well as other Lemmy instances) began to complain about the behavior of Hexbear users. The complaints were about rude, obnoxious behavior: Hexbear users calling people "libs" as an insult, denying crimes of Russia and China, denying the crimes of Stalin,...
Such behavior was not necessarily forbidden on Blahaj.Zone, but certain sub-Lemmys had their own rules on these subjects.
One of the threads about Hexbear: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795?scrollToComments=true
After an ever increasing number of users calling for defederating from Hexbear. Net, Ada (admin of Blahaj.Zone) opened a thread to talk about it. The thread was quickly inundated with Hexbear users, complaining in turn about being called out in this way. Though many of their comments exploited a current bug in the Lemmy code which resulted in emoji's being embedded as pictures which results in lots of image spam.
Ada responded by removing top-level comments in the thread which were not from Blahaj.Zone's users, because she wanted to get the feedback of her own community, not from anybody else.
This happened originally in this thread: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1959801
The discussion on Blahaj.Zone was a back and forth: Lots of people calling for "leftist and queer unity", others complaining about getting harassed by Hexbear users.
Meanwhile, elsewhere: Lemm.ee, a Lemmy instance operated and managed by someone from Estonia, also opened a discussion about Hexbear - at least partially motivated by the admin's increasing unease of the rampant denial of soviet atrocities and the occupation of Estonia by the Soviet Union. Russian propaganda in regards to the war in Ukraine was also an issue.
Lemm.ee was largely encountering similar problems as Blahaj.Zone, though the Lemme.ee admin admitted that the Hexbear admin was generally responsive to reports and complaints.
The thread on Lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/post/4543536
The thread was also flooded with comments from Hexbear users. The admin of Lemm.ee also responded by hiding most of the comments from Hexbear.
https://mastodon.social/@brooklynman/110911292961470110
Back on Blahaj.Zone, a tangent opens up: A Hexbear user complains about c/196, the new home of Reddit's r/196 which had relocated to Blahaj.Zone and has been its biggest community ever since. The Hexbear user complains about their comments being removed, comments that called out the use of the r-word and other call-outs. The user posts pictures of the removal notices.
Blahaj.Zone's admin Ada steps in and intervenes on behalf of the Hexbear user, having a stern word with the c/196 mod responsible for the removal of the comments.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2136643
A Hexbear admin also gets involved and sends a message to the mods of c/196 demanding the removal of the sub-Lemmy's banner, because it contains "fuck tankies²", arguing that tankies is a slur. The c/196 mod refuses and publishes their message.
[²"Tankies" is a pejorative term for authoritarian socialists in the vein of Stalin and/or Mao.]
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1961004
While the discussion if Blahaj.Zone should defederate from Hexbear is still ongoing, the Hexbear admins defederated from Blahaj.Zone without warning from their side, because of...
unaddressed ableist removals from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers, no-quarter rules regarding our users, leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team, and a general lack of initiative to punish these behavior
In her a response to these events, Ada points out in a comment that she never had the chance to adress the ableist incident (she was in bed) while other issues had happened in the past and had been adressed at the time. Thus she could not react before Hexbear defederated.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135406
TL;dr: Blahaj.Zone's users complain about ill behavior of users on Hexbear. Net. A discussion about defederation begins on Blahaj.Zone. Meanwhile Hexbear users complain about Blahaj.Zone in turn and Hexbear. Net defederates instantly and without warning.
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I'm a third party here but a person choosing not to have a "real discussion" about a topic with you doesn't automatically make them "incapable" of having those discussions. It just means they don't want to have those discussions at the moment.
Vaushites literally never discuss the issues surrounding vaush. Their tactic is to derail any conversation by bringing up horses or some stupid shit. It's tantamount to sticking your head in the sand which sucks as a trans woman because vaush has history of using "tactical slurs", being misogynistic in an attempt to dunk on problematic women, and exhibiting chaser behaviors.
Yeah well when you bring up the actual problems with Vaush it does make it easier to respond. As a Vaush fan, I've spent a lot of time going over these clips and accusations and come to the conclusion that I support Vaush and he's done the right thing in most cases even when the optics have been... goofy at best. The tactical slur clip was genius. He used the N word on a far-right dogwhistle stream and they actually admitted to using the word in private but were too cowardly to do it in that case. I mean he dunked them. He revealed them to be completely spineless, and his 3 minute presence had a huge negative effect on their success going forward.
On Vaush's mysoginy... I tend to agree less with him. He did most recently call Ana Kasparian a bitch in response to her absolutely childish, lying, and hypocritical call out of Vaush.
My head is NOT in the sand. Vaush himself goes over these clips all the time, in his discord they are talked about and linked frequently, and the opposition documents showing these clips are also present in his discord. I choose to be a vaush fan with full knowledge of who Vaush is.
Yeah well when you bring up the actual problems with Vaush it does make it easier to respond.
I simply urged you to do some self reflection regarding your approval of Vaush because you had mentioned offhandedly you were a Vaush fan. My original question was about Tankies and you responded with the usual Vaushite bullshit about horses in an attempt to deflect.
The tactical slur clip was genius
I mean he dunked them
Bit of a tangent but it's hilarious that when Vaush does something solely to "dunk" on someone it's fine but god forbid hexbear does it to chuds without using slurs.
On Vaush’s mysoginy… I tend to agree less with him. He did most recently call Ana Kasparian a bitch in response to her absolutely childish, lying, and hypocritical call out of Vaush.
So I hadn't yet heard about this most recent occurrence (how many times does he have to do it?) but it's fun that when someone calls out Vaush it's deemed childish and hypocritical but Vaush's response, despite being childish and hypocritical, gets a pass.
My head is NOT in the sand.
I choose to be a vaush fan with full knowledge of who Vaush is.
Again I say:
please please please do some self-reflection regarding your approval of Vaush.
It's honestly the funniest fucking thing that this instance and /c/196 is inundated with Vaush fans (It's so goddamn obvious, you can smell them a mile away) yet the consensus about Hexbear seems to be that they're leftist 4channers or a 4chan psy-op, yet Vaush is held up as some kind of liberal messiah when he's literally a 4channer turned debatebro streamer who kept his old habits.
Vaush dunks on people in debates for being the worst people on earth. Your lot dunk on "libs" in lemmy threads for not being radical enough.
Yeah he stooped down to her level. And it was funny.
Stop being so smug that Vaush fans are like, smelly or something. Tf?
The consensus is Hexbears are deeply fucking annoying. The people in charge if your instance spent hours harassing the people in charge of my instance. After defederating.
Vaush dunks on people in debates for being the worst people on earth. Your lot dunk on “libs” in lemmy threads for not being radical enough.
Aren't you supposed to be a communist? Please learn what libs and communists are because it seems you have a very surface level understanding of these terms and I feel it's hindering any discussion with you.
Yeah he stooped down to her level. And it was funny.
Jesus christ you really have no sense of self-awareness or ability to introspect.
Stop being so smug that Vaush fans are like, smelly or something. Tf?
Alright that's my bad, I don't mean literally smelly.
The consensus is Hexbears are deeply fucking annoying.
Do you really not see the irony here?
The people in charge if your instance spent hours harassing the people in charge of my instance. After defederating.
Not only is this egregiously false, Blahaj is my instance as well. I was here before hearing about hexbear and just because you don't like my views doesn't make me not from here.
Okay but what are your views on horses?
Cool great thanks
This is too terminally online for me