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  • the reverse Dullesification of the capital class and the MIC, these fools don’t make the kool aid but they do drink it by the gallon

    • I've been searching for a word to describe this exact phenomenon. These people are children of the Cold War, and all the propaganda lives in their head, but none of the underlying politics that the propaganda was masking. They're reacting to the shadows of their predecessors.

      • In his biography, William Herst (newspaper mogul) talked about this exact phenomena within newspapers and editorial staff. Basically, people who believed the lies you told would come work for the newspaper and within a generation the entire newspaper wouldn't even know they were telling lies, which (according to him) was incredibly dangerous because then you aren't controlling the narrative, the narrative is controlling you and you are unable to adapt and change the narrative to suit the market.

        He basically said most of his job was trying to get his editorial staff to understand that they were shaping a changing narrative, not reporting truth (because he believed getting actual truth is borderline impossible, therefore not the job of a newspaper).

        • This is exactly correct and describes both parties in the US as well. The old true believers did not actually believe the shit they were peddling but now we have people like MTG as sitting congress members who are true believers of the bullshit their fascist predecessors peddled.

        • I truly believe in many respects that is where we are at these days. I think, for the ghouls at the state department, they're in effect the new Dulles, producing real propaganda to mask their political agenda regarding China and Palestine, but socialism as a whole, real political economy and its consequences, these people are back in the cave.

          • It's been awhile since I read it, but I think Herst's conclusion for that chapter was that, the best he could personally do was get them to learn how to shape the message, but he was never able to truly disabuse them of the notion that what they believed and what they had been told was shaped in exactly the same way, if not more egregiously false, which he believed would eventually be catastrophic for the U.S. down the line. Never believe your own bullshit.

        • Man Hearst was such a piece of shit, I'm unsurprised that he also understood things this well

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