Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
"Voters—and all Americans—deserve better than two corporate-controlled parties," asserted the leader of Our Revolution.
Yes, money is power and power is politics. What is your point exactly?
Progressives will continue to lose for this reason.
Clearly the solution is just to sell out as hard as possible since there's no other way to win.
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
I’m saying what wins/loses.
Well, it's a good thing we ran so fucking far to the right, then. Can you imagine if Harris had listened to progressives? She might have lost the primary we didn't fucking have.
She lost to Trump because she did what you wanted. Don't worry. The party will never fucking change.
Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.
How many elections have progressives won?
There were a lot of black/female/indian democrat voters offended that anyone would even consider a primary instead of going with Vice President Harris. All those votes would’ve been lost.
She lost to Trump because that’s what China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted. Whether intentional or not you’re just helping them out by scapegoating the DNC.
Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.
It's still the 90s, huh?
Nope, a long time has past since the 90s. That’s the point. The DNC has won the majority of elections for a long time. Proving they know how to win, unlike progressives.
Then keep it up. Keep pretending that it'll work forever. You deserve trump and only trump. After all, you want two identical fascist parties.
After all, you want two identical fascist parties.
“bOtH sIdEs R sAmE”
You certainly want them to be.
Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You'd be stupid to try any other way of winning.
I am very smart.
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
‘We are very smart’
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism? Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
You're making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism?
Because China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted Trump to win and used their propaganda machines to influence the elections. Not to mention billionaires doing underhanded stuff like buying votes. All while progressives fed the propaganda machine with their constant criticism.
Failing miserably would describe progressives’ refusal to work with other ideologies and thus losing elections consistently.
Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
There is no such thing as a perfect campaign.
You're making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
You acknowledge the influence of billionaires and foreign governments on our political process, yet you still place the blame on progressives for criticizing Democrats for refusing to challenge those billionaires. Why?
The progressives are the Democrats' true base, so if Democrats are unpopular with their base and are receiving criticism from them, it's on the Democrats to respond to that criticism and appeal to their base. If you absolutely must play the blame game, place the blame on those who had the power to do better and didn't. You can be frustrated about the way people vote all you want, but it isn't going to change their minds. Only the Democrats had that power, and they refused to do what needed to be done.
You acknowledge the influence of billionaires and foreign governments on our political process, yet you still place the blame on progressives for criticizing Democrats for refusing to challenge those billionaires. Why?
Because most of the influence that billionaires have is from Citizen United and no amount of criticizing democrats will change that.
It has the opposite effect. All that criticism is just ammo for their other method of influence: propaganda.
Every criticism is amplified by swarms of fake accounts on social media and forums like this. Used to sow apathy in democratic voters.
So that criticism makes it harder for democrats to get elected, which makes the GOP stronger, which entrenches more policies like Citizens United. Taking us all several steps backwards.
What's your goal in confronting those who criticize the Democrats? You can't shield them from criticism by wagging your finger at people with legitimate grievances and insisting that they're helping Trump win. Again, if you want to play the blame game it can go either way; you can blame the leftists who criticize Democrats or blame the Democrats for failing to address the concerns of their own base.
Trump and his cronies have been drowning in criticism since he first entered politics and he's able to shrug it off like a minor annoyance because he's done the work of building a strong base of support. He appeals to both the material and immaterial interests of his base and is responsive to their desires (to the dismay of anyone with any semblance of sanity).
Meanwhile the Democrats treat their base with contempt, never responding to their concerns, and abandoning them like so much garbage when they thought it was strategically prudent. They make themselves vulnerable to the kind of propaganda you're talking about by refusing to engage in even the slightest appeal to those who critique them from the left.
What's your goal in confronting those who criticize the Democrats?
To point out that they are acting against their own best interest because of bad faith actors.
Trump and his cronies have been drowning in criticism since he first entered politics and he's able to shrug it off like a minor annoyance because he's done the work of building a strong base of support. He appeals to both the material and immaterial interests of his base and is responsive to their desires (to the dismay of anyone with any semblance of sanity).
Trump has not been under criticism by his own base… why do you think his base is called a cult. As a matter of fact Trump attacks anyone that criticizes him and won more votes his 2nd term because of it. Am I explaining this to you because you aren’t paying attention or are you arguing in bad faith?
Meanwhile the Democrats treat their base with contempt, never responding to their concerns, and abandoning them like so much garbage when they thought it was strategically prudent. They make themselves vulnerable to the kind of propaganda you're talking about by refusing to engage in even the slightest appeal to those who critique them from the left.
Democrats don’t waste time trying to pass legislation while they don’t have the seats to actually get it past. That would be performative time wasting. Even when that’s explained to leftists and it is proven there aren’t enough votes in Congress to get what they act what do they do? Do leftists try to appeal to more ideologies to get the votes they need? Nope, they attack the democrats on their own team, destroying any chances of getting the votes they need so they can get what leftists really want: something to complain about.
It is unironically the voters' faults if things go to shit in a democracy yes. It sucks that we have bad education but nobody is stopping people from paying attention.
The point of progressives is they don't support regressive policies
Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants
The point of progressives is they don't support regressive policies
This is a fancy way of saying they let Trump win instead of voting in their own best interests.
Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants.
Are they achieving those tenants by letting Trump win?
Wow never considered you might just be dumb
Thanks for clarifying
If you never considered that someone on the internet might be dumb, then you’re the dumb one. Sorry to be the one to tell ya.
