Companies in the EU are starting to look for ways to ditch Amazon, Google, and Microsoft cloud services for European ones
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I haven't found a good EU alternative yet.
Prices are going to be higher, that's a given. But the flexibility and options something like Azure provides is basically impossible to find anywhere. You'd have to mix and match from a dozen providers. And some of them claim to be an EU company with an EU service, but then it turns out they host their stuff on AWS or Azure (I found this out twice now in my investigation into switching to Europe companies only).
I haven’t found a good EU alternative yet.
Hetzner?
Hetzner is more of a traditional hosting provider, not a cloud services provider. They have regular hosting, collocation, vps and some simple storage solutions. They have only recently added Object Storage to their portfolio. It's all focused on servers.
This isn't really the same thing as wat Azure and AWS provide. Those are true cloud providers, where you can design your own infrastructure based on their services. And we're talking dozens of services. It's all managed centrally and completely hardware agnostic and if you want even location agnostic. Services are provided on a pay per use basis, although things like reservations can help to prepurchase services and reduce costs as a tradeoff to flexibility.
There are plenty of traditional hosting providers in the EU, but no real cloud services providers. There are some smaller that offer some of the services. But like I said, for a bit bigger of a setup you'd need at least a dozen providers. Just scroll through the list of services provided by Azure or AWS. And especially for Azure, the way everything is managed through the Azure portal and how all the services integrate with each other is second to none.
OVHCloud comes closer in terms of functionality but in the past they were limited in capacity and locations. They are working on that at the moment. They've also had some big reliability issues, which they are also working on. It's probably the most promising alternative, but they aren't there yet.
Can you give specific examples?
I've worked with AWS a couple of years ago, and then it was mostly rebranded opensource stuff they pretended was their own (elasticsearch, cognito, cloudwatch, lambda, ...)
I'm not sure what you are trying to ask. Both AWS and Azure have a mix of services they created themselves and services based on software created by others (both open and closed source).
The issue is, besides OVH there isn't really a cloud service provider in the EU. A cloud service provider is completely different from a traditional hosting provider. The product they provide is a different thing.
A cloud service provider is completely different from a traditional hosting provider.
My question is: in what way? AWS mostly just seems to install and manage existing opensource projects under a new name. Might as well just use VPSs (or ec2 as AWS calls them) and install it yourself?
A cloud service provider has a couple of benefits compared to a traditional hosting provider:
You don't have to worry about installing and managing any of the services. They take care of the licenses, installation, updates, auditing, security, monitoring, standard conformity, backups etc. You don't need to worry about any of that, it's all taken care of. And the way they have it setup, it's all hardware agnostic as well. So they will roam their services between all different servers. When a server has an issue or needs maintenance, it's just taken out of the pool and put back in when it's ready. And they put in more servers if they see more demand for a service. Another big benefit is a pay per use pricing model. With a lot of the services they provide the software can get pretty expensive to own and operate, whilst most of the time you don't even need it that much. But when you need it, you really need it. Say for example you need an simple AI translation service, so users of your app can easily translate stuff (a common feature in Europe). If you want to setup your own servers with high end GPUs and have it run the translation software, sure that works. But it will be expensive to buy or rent that hardware, take a lot of time to setup and manage and then just sit idle for most of the time waiting for something to do. With a cloud service provider you just check the box for auto translation, go through a short wizard to get credentials and your up and running. And you pay for every actual use, so if nobody uses the feature, it won't cost anything. And scalability isn't an issue, if you suddenly need a lot of a service, the capacity is available when needed. And then scale down again once it's done. And keep in mind this is just one example, they offer this for dozens of services. Another big upside is the central management, everything is in one place. This makes it very easy for people to work on the setup. You can just train to become an expert in Azure for example (with certification available) and any company can hire you to advice and work on their Azure stuff. It also makes things like auditing very easy, the management tool has builtin tools for auditing, logging, separation of roles etc. And the finance admin is also very easy with a single completely specified invoice at the end of the month. The management tool has tools for managing budgets and costs (present and future) as well. They also have datacenters in all regions, allowing for low latency across the world. It's very easy to have a single application be available all over the world, with optimal latency and very little effort. This includes auto fail over where if one region has a major issue (say war related for example), it will not result in down time. You can imagine how important this is for government stuff.
There are probably more benefits I can't think of right now. (for example the complex cloud networking stuff made easy)
There is a reason AWS and Azure have become so popular and big. We all like to joke ha ha cloud is just servers. But at the end of the day that's simply not true. It allows for very low TCO for a very high service level. In short the cloud service provider takes care of a whole lot of headache, for a price that's lower than it would be if anybody tried to do it themselves.
Well, agree to disagree. Where I work we have all those things with one central management (ansible), running on VPSes at 2 providers.
If we want translation, as an example that we also use, it was as simple as finding a container on docker hub.
A load balancer auto scales the VPSes, payment is by minute, for a price cheaper than going with a cloud provider.
The only thing we have on-prem is data backups, as you never know when a third party (by error or not) locks you out.
To each their own, but cloud is still just someone else's computer :)
3dexperience by Dassault systems? ( but it's aimed at corporations).
