4d ago

They have started federating again, lord help us.

edit: muting this thread, goodbye.

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I immediately went into my Voyager settings to block the entire instance the moment I saw one of their comments. Not making the same mistake twice.
- Unfortuantely, blocking an instance only blocks posts and communities from it. You will still get comments.
  
  That's fucking lame as shit, I really appreciated when lemm.ee had them blocked.
  
  When did we have them blocked? there was a brief period there where their domain expired, and they had to stay offline to fix it.
  
  I don’t believe they did, but Hexbear was complete defederated for a while when they were having their domain name issue.
  
  I'm aware of that, but there's some puzzle piece missing between Lemm.ee, Voyager and whatever else, because I didn't see any of them for more than a year.
  
  You were probably just lucky.
  
  I'm not being shut out by Nazis, I'll block them all if that's what it takes, this is my fucking account, I'm not giving it to because of them.
- Must be a sad life to ignore the only serious left posters in the anglosphere, have fun getting banned for saying we need more luigis.
  
  Authoritarianism is the antithesis of leftism. Hexbear sure loves authoritarians despite being "serious leftists".
  
  Capitalism is the antithesis of leftism. Oppressing the bigots and capitalists is the essence of leftism.
  
  Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Authoritarianism is not acceptable regardless of what your ideology is, and goes against everything actual leftists stand for. People like you are no better than the capitalists and fascists you claim to be against.
  
  Funny you would say that, because by calling for the left to neuter its ability to liberate the working class, you're no better than the capitalists and fascists you don't even claim to be against.
  The actual leftists will not sit down and let the bourgeoisie continue to oppress people just because it's "authoritarian" to stop them. I really wonder what you think the left is. If you want a hint, it's not Hillary Clinton.
  
  Show me one example of this fabled love for authoritarianism I'm always hearing about.
  
  Take a gander through MeanwhileOnGrad. All sorts of authoritarian bootlicking documented right there for anyone to see.
  
  Cherry-picked posts from an instance that isn't even the one I'm talking about is supposed to be evidence of a general attitude?
  
  Sorry you can't be bothered to look at the evidence that's clearly available right in front of you from a community meant to document this sort of behaviour. Where that evidence is is irrelevant, the behaviour itself is on full display for you to see.
  
  It's not in front of me, it's about a different instance than I was talking about, and I am on hexbear every day, I don't need an outsider's fake summary.
  
  ?? Most hexbears would literally throw a party if Trump was annihilated
  
  No, they really would not, but I understand it's part of the agenda to make that seemingly unclear.
  
  I can show you the posts of the celebrations when he got covid. His death would bring sweet catharsis for all of us. I am baffled that anyone could think otherwise.
- The spectre of Communism had you spooked, lol
  
  All my experiences with that instance and similar ones have been disgusting.
  Pushing people who post burning flags of a country and posts about it to be fully wiped out are accepted... Criticism regarding this gets your comment remove and a ban from the community.
  I don't need that again. Where can I block those pseudo-left pro-authoritarians instance?
  
  You're talking about Hexbear being pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist as though they are anti-semetic and wish extermination on Jewish people. No, that's not how Hexbear is, Hexbear is neither genocidal nor anti-semetic.
  You might be talking about something else, but burning a flag of say, the US, does not mean Hexbear wants to slaughter everyone in the US. It means Hexbear stands against the US State and its ruling class, same with Israel and its genocidal ruling class.
  Anti-Zionism, anti-fascism, and being pro-Palestine are all 3 Leftist stances.
  Anyway, to block a community, you can do it in your settings. You will still see comments from users, just not comms.
  
  And here we have a hot take from a member of the Commie Triad. 🙃
  Lol, I see you commented with both your profiles ITT, and that you're a member of multiple horrible communities.
  
  the Commie Triad
  lmao turns out this whining has always been red baiting
  
  It was a joke, not a hot take. And yes, I'm a Communist, if you don't like Communists you probably won't like me.
  As for this thread, I made one comment on my Hexbear alt for the emoji, and then swapped to this one, my main, so not really sure what your point is, here. What "horrible communities" am I a member of?
  
  Correct, I don't like you. Thanks for the advice to block people.
  Edit: Funny enough I blocked Diva before reading their comment asking me to block them. 🤣
  
  You're actually pretty obnoxious with this...
  
  I literally couldn't give less of a shit, if you're fine sitting at the table with Nazis, be my guest, I have a zero tolerance policy.
  
  Equating Communists to Nazis is a form of Nazi apologia. I suggest you read Blackshirts and Reds.
  
  make sure to block me too so I don't have to see your shit
  
  Cool 👍
  
  I can get disliking tankies (not communists, there's a distinction), but you're being a bit obnoxious. Just block silently and move on.
  
  In practical terms, "tankie" just means Communist, but coming from someone who is anti-Communist. It's kinda like "woke."
  
  I wouldn't consider myself anti-communist by any means. I do use the term when people glorify north korea and the ussr though.
  
  I promise I'm not "JAQ," but what counts as "glorifying?" The majority of Marxists worldwide believe the USSR and DPRK to be capable of being considered Socialist. They also believe a great deal of good has been done in these countries, while acknowledging that the standard Western narrative generally mythologizes them to an extent. At the same time, most Marxists can acknowledge the real problems faced intenally and externally in these countries, and that not everything they do is correct or right. Such a wonderland does not and cannot exist, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't support Leftidt movemebts. The Black Panther Party, for example, supported the DPRK and directly stated the influence of the Juche Idea on how they themselves built up their community and party through self-reliance.
  If the majority of Marxists, ie the majority of Communists (not counting Anarcho-Communists, of course), have similar views on "AES" states, wouldn't that make "Tankie" just a negative term for Communists?
  Personally, I think it's convenient to think of oneself as not anti-Communist, while opposing every country that has tried to build communism, such as the former Soviet Union, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, etc. As a Marxist-Leninist, I find the people most genuinely critical of AES states, and not dogmatically dismissive of, are fellow Marxists. It takes first correct understanding to begin to see what truly went right and what went wrong, after all.
  Just my thoughts on the subject. You probably won't agree.
  
  I've only ever seen you participate in good faith,
  I mean people who think everything was fine and dandy there, and they had no problems except for the u.s meddling (which was a real problem).
  Don't get me wrong, there was - and is - a lot of propaganda about it.
  I'm not dismissive (hopefully!) of them, the ussr was a big step up from the tsar ruled russia, they have achieved a lot of good things, but there are some people who try to pretend nothing wrong happened.
  I think that the whole china thing (tianamen square, the ughurs etc) is also very divisive.
  One problem I have with a lot of former (and current) communist states is how they forgo democracy, or get dictators. I think democracy is one of the most fundamentally important things in a society.
  Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
  
  First off, thanks for the compliment! I think the biggest issue on the Fediverse is talking past each other, and the game of telephone defederation can create.
  Maybe this is just a difference caused by being a Hexbear user myself, but outside of memes, the idea that "nothing went wrong" in the USSR or (insert AES state here) would actually be pretty unpopular. When Communists engage with others online, we are generally far more defensive when engaging with those hostile to Communism outright, as Red Scare brainworms dominate the Western internet entirely. When speaking among comrades, however, you'll find the nuance you say is usually lacked.
  For example, the other day someone pulled up the ludicrous "100 million deaths" figure, to which I responded to why that number exists and why it's a myth. I'm not going to engage in the various issues with, say, Lysenkoism, or the problems with trying to maintain planning by hand in a computer age, or with the liberal reforms that began to doom the Socialist economy of the Soviet Union, unless I am doing so with someone already knowledgeable about the subject.
  As for democracy, I do think you should read up on why Socialist countries opt for the democratic models they do. When western countries call, say, Cuba a "dictatorship," it's because it has one main party, but that is only part of the picture. The other parts they hide are the broad support for the Cuban system, and the actual democratic control the people have over how things are run. A much greater portion of Chinese citizens believe they have a democratic impact on policy than USian citizens, despite having only one main party (there are 8 other parties in the PRC, but they cooperate with the CPC, rather than compete).
  I recommend reading Soviet Democracy if you're down to read, or just looking in this infographic:
  Thanks for your time!

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