The Republicans Should've Faced Way More Criticism During The 2024 Presidential Campaign

And that's the thing, the Dems losing doesn't teach them any lesson, they're not going to pivot to the left because they lost, they'll only double down on neoliberalism.

DNC logic
- DNC will throw an election before moving to the left. Particularly when the topic of discussion involves a certain rogue nation in the Middle East.
  
  Yeah i wish I could confidently tell you no you are wrong. Which is why we cant place hopes in DNC. This is not about dems winning. Its about gop losing. Once they are out. Let them dnc get their what they deserve.
- From the DNC's perspective, going left lost against Nixon of all people, during a deeply unpopular war. Going left was crushed by Regan. Both Bush presidents won by attacking centrist candidates from the right. Clinton ran very centrist campaigns and won. Obama was at best more practical than ideological. Carter and Biden picked up the pieces of disasters, but that didn't translate in to long term gains, and neither of them got credit for what wins they delivered the left.
  I agree the DNC should go left, but I understand it's hard to make the case based on the last 60 years of experience.
  
  Anyone basing strategy on the last sixty years instead of the last four is too stupid to be taken seriously. Hence the US' reputation as he dumbest nation.
  
  I'd reply that anyone can justify any conclusion if they're allowed to pick and choose the evidence under consideration. We should aim to produce a political theory that accounts for decades of history and change.
  
  Sure... But that political theory is still explicitly illegal in the US and can get you imprisoned if you manage to get elected. Barring the obvious, we can't base our political theory on entirely different material conditions experienced by entirely different people. The number of voters that were alive 60 years ago is miniscule, and the number of voters that voted 60 years ago is going to be less than 1% in the next election.
  Even supposing those people were physically still alive their material conditions have changed so dramatically they aren't the same voters.
  By ignoring the change of conditions and change of voters mentality, you set yourself up for 'surprise' failures, like clinton in 2016, which all leftists knew clinton would lose.
  If you just look at the last four years and the material conditions people face, you're far less likely to overvalue old elections that have nothing whatsoever in common with modern elections.
- https://imgur.com/a/BOzdYvP
  
  I mean they still not right. Just diet version. To use cars as analogy, Its like hybrid car is better but than gas but what we want is EV running on renewables. Meanwhile people getting most inefficient gas machine from mad max out of spite.
they’re not going to pivot to the left because they lost
We see that exact thing happening now. They haven't learned a thing.
- Nancy Pelosi was in a hospital in Europe and actively blocked AOC from taking a leadership role right after the election. The fucking Democrats censured the single member of their party that called Trump out on his BS during his victory lap. Then Schumer shit the bed a couple weeks ago.
  Establishment Dems are actively preventing any kind of progress, all while whining about how we need to do something!
- We need more people involved in primaries and less voting based on TV ads.

Like bruh try won’t learn but let’s get rid of Satan/Hitler first. And ill be first to turn on them.

The democrats have literally funded far-right republican candidates because they know you're operating on this logic. Trump himself was part of this "pied piper" strategy.

Yup as other said they will move to lose before they go left. Think about why that is. Cause if the gop is gone they are the next target. So they do crap like everyone mentioned. They just want donations. GOP is their boogeyman.
The strategy outlined is vote to make gop not viable. Then progressive dems will have more free to form new party. Threat of gop prevents this. Afterwards DNC replaces gop as right party. If that plan doesnt sit well with you please vote third party. Its a drop in bucket but oceans are made of drops.
- Honestly I don't understand the logic of that approach at all. What makes you think the GOP will eventually become nonviable? I feel like people making this argument in the past relied on the assumption that young people and minorities would always be consistent democratic voters, but that hasn't held up, because they blew it. If you recognize them as being shit, then what gives you the confidence in them to think that they'll achieve total political dominance?
  If that plan doesnt sit well with you please vote third party. Its a drop in bucket but oceans are made of drops.
  I do, and I appreciate you respecting this choice.
  
  Very fair point and i acknowledge it could 100% be naive if demographics dont age out gop members. But I do. Why? Well personal experience. 2016 I hated dnc and got swooped up in the Donald. 8 years later I tried to explain to everyone this is the same crap and not to be deceived. My message didn't reach but people may learn the hard way. If next election stays the same demographics then I got to find a new path. Cause you're right.
  As for political dominance, There are only 2 viable choices. At some point age out and constant right moves the DNC will be the less radical right party. Plus mixed with blue no matter who (for a few years anyway), 3 stock market crashes with gop presidents in 20 years, measles out breaks, and I suspect stronger hurricanes etc, they cant keep it up.
  If those 20 mil votes for biden came for Harris or even third party there would have been a huge shake up like I described above could have come sooner. Don't let anyone discourage your vote!
  
  constant right moves the DNC will be the less radical right party.
  I don't believe it works that way, if it did, Kamala and Clinton would've both won. The DNC is already the less radical right party.
  The problem is that voters are more complex than a fixed point on a left/right axis that votes for whoever's closer to them. For instance, when Democrats pivoted to the right on immigration and tried to pass themselves off as border hawks, what happened was that they threw away a moral argument that they had previously used to criticize the Republicans. People didn't say, "Oh, now that the Democrats have come around on immigration, I'll vote for them," they said, "You were calling them racist over this not long ago, but now you're adopting the same stance? So the Republicans were right and your criticism was opportunistic and full of shit. Why should I trust your criticism of them on other points?" They actually tried to criticize the Republicans from the right on the issue, citing the fact that the Republicans didn't go along with Biden's anti-immigration bill and saying, "We're the ones who actually want to secure the border, they're all talk." Nobody really bought it, and ofc if you were pro-immigration you were expected to still vote Democrat since it's taken for granted that they're the "lesser evil." Meanwhile, this led to a collapse in support among Hispanics, many of whom were willing to support the Democratic party on the basis that Trump's anti-immigration stance was racist, but when the Democrats shifted right on that issue, many didn't see a significant difference on that front and voted Republican because they were more aligned on other, cultural issues.
  3 stock market crashes with gop presidents in 20 years, measles out breaks, and I suspect stronger hurricanes etc, they cant keep it up.
  I don't have that much faith in the average voter. The democrats will have an advantage in the next presidential election (although they could fuck it up), but after that, like 7 years from now, people won't remember or care - just like they didn't care enough about Trump's first term to not elect him again.
  I mean, that's the way it works with a two party system where they both suck. People see the Republicans sucking and turn to the Democrats because they're the only other option. Then they see the Democrats sucking and turn to the Republicans because they're the only other option. You can't just rely on the other side being bad because if they're not in charge, people will forget how bad they are. You have to go all the way back to Reagan and H.W. to find a time with two consecutive presidents of the same party - and recently, people haven't even been going for incumbents, it's been switching back and forth every four years.
  
  I agree with your points. Not to sound misogyny but I strongly believe it was too early for women. Need a mass die off of elderly jerks before ill believe it. Black men had voting rights before women and we just got a half black president only very recently.
  People just need to see past last 4 years or even few months and know what dems are.
  Dem betrayal is expected. Don't bother holding them to higher standard. They are lesser evil. Don't get annoyed and not vote. Vote third party if anything. Don't let the greater evil win ever. We do that we will get ratchet effect. Like you described.

If you're willing to sacrifice one minority group to Satan, why should members of other minority groups not believe they are next?

100% agree.
But just to put in perspective, 1 side said ill f over 1 group and other side said "ill do way more than that casual". And in fact since 2 months of getting in are actively trying to f over the world.
Voting DNC was also temp truce against GOP. I rather be mildly disappointed than fearing for future. If DNC won ill be pushing for more progressive stuff but now we got to work to get nation back to "normal". Its like wanting to plant a tree but some jerk poured sand in the hole. Now we got to undo this crap before progress can happen.

If so many people refused to vote for Democrats because they were too far right, then the Dems should have moved left. If Leftists are too small a group to matter and the Dems are right to court the right then stop complaining when Leftists don't vote for you. You can't have it both ways.

Dems are not progressive they move to who votes. Team lefty hate the choices so opt out. Meanwhile DNC sees right voters consistently vote and move to court them. DnC is not on our side they are on their side. They said they are not the opposition party. We all know that. But they are opportunists so more left votes since they will move left. Especially if the GOP is no longer a viable option. Hence why I say turn on them after the GOP is voted to hell.

Tankies want Hitler to win and the country to collapse. They are like evangelicals deeply wanting the apocalypse to happen to punish all the people who didn't agree with them.

So this outcome is perfect for them because despite their whinging, leftists are deeply unpopular in the US amongst the majority of the population.

Tankies want Hitler to win and the country to collapse. They are like evangelicals deeply wanting the apocalypse to happen to punish all the people who didn't agree with them.
Your analogy is even more apt than that. A lot of them are accelerationists/anti-electoralists too, who hold the faith-based belief that making the world worse will magically cause the working class to unite and overthrow their oppressors. The belief is based upon the words of a dead authoritarian and has no historical data to suggest that it is remotely accurate. They are happy to give vulnerable populations as blood sacrifices because of their faith in it somehow resulting in a better world.
I hate that i agree you are right.