6d ago

Canadians supporting Trump, how do you rationalize it?

This is just one of thousands of examples of immense disrespect. And his cult follows him along through everything.

I'm all seriousness, if you find this appealing, would you not be happier if you just move there? If you have no allegiance to this country, please be respectful, have some dignity, and don't actively try to ruin it for the rest of us. Stop trying to sabotage this country by actively undermining it.

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would you not be happier if you just move there?
It’s not super complicated. These people consume US-based propaganda constantly, but can’t move there because they have no skills nor enough cash to be able to immigrate.
I do wonder if at some point soon the US will grant “refugee” status to white Canadian MAGA to help them flip swing districts there.
- If they move it will raise the average IQ of both countries.
  
  I’ll be the Debbie downer and respond to your silly joke with a serious reply.
  Quite often political affiliation is related to cultural or geographical factors and not intelligence. I’ve lived in a variety of places both leaning conservative and liberal, including a couple US states. I’ve both met intelligent and idiotic people everywhere I’ve been.
  I’ve also seen people be willfully ignorant on both sides of the political spectrum. This isn’t to say “enlightened centrism, all sides equal” because fascism is quite uniquely bad. But the tendencies to get into these bubbles are a human behaviour and not geographic.
  Apologies for the pedantic response to what was clearly a harmless joke.
  
  I see where you're trying to say here, but you're making the mistake of conflating conservatism with fascism. There may well be right leaning people and left-leaning people with similar IQs, but it requires a special degree of stupid and willful ignorance to believe the many, many lies that come out of the Trump Whitehouse.
  
  I’m not making any mistake.
  Intelligent people can choose to be willfully ignorant, no matter their political affiliation. For example I personally know a person who is extremely brilliant yet parrot Jordan Peterson. This person is amongst the world’s most capable in his highly competitive and lucrative field — so while I find this person’s politics deeply abhorrent I cannot find him stupid.
  The problem with over-attributing stupidity to things we simply don’t like is that it masks the other factors which produce the outcomes we as a society are trying to avoid, such as fascism.
  
  "Stupid" is deliberately doing what you should KNOW is counter to good results. It has nothing to do with intelligence. The winners of the Darwin Awards usually do not lack intelligence, they are just stupid (or at least just do stupid things).
  Being very conservative with your money, handling it in a conservative manner, running a business conservatively, has nothing to do with fascism. THAT is the problem we are currently facing - the blunt fact that fascism is not the same as being conservative (small 'c'), but that the Conservatives (capital 'C') are also becoming fascist along with being conservative. Two entirely different things.
  Diefenbaker could NEVER, in any intelligent discussion, be labeled as a 'fascist'. He was in many ways very socially responsible.
  Carney, although he is the leader of the Liberal party, will methinks turnout to be conservative in his economic policies, just like Turner was.
  
  I believe we’re both misunderstanding what the other person is saying because I don’t feel like your reply relates to what I said. Which doesn’t mean it was your error, I’m sure it was at least equally my misinterpretation of your reply.
  Either way we are talking past each other, so I’ll wish you well and leave it at that. Cheers
  
  My reply was not meant to contradict what you said, only to clarify the term 'stupid'. It is quite correct to call Jordan 'stupid' without reference to his intelligence. Trump is, in fact; reasonably intelligent in a narcissistic way, but I also do not think he can be called 'stupid' for what he is doing, in the sense that he has every intention of causing the chaos he is, the chaos is 'good results' as far as he is concerned. It is not 'unintended consequences' on his part, it is not any lack of understanding on his part, it is deliberate and expected results. After all, he took many of his companies bankrupt as a legitimate business move, to stop the bleeding. On the other hand, the people who FOLLOW him CAN be considered 'stupid' under the definition.
  That is, it is not reasonable to label Trump as stupid for doing what he is doing in order to achieve his objectives, but it is stupid to go along with it. It is perhaps stupid for people to not realize what Trump's real objectives are. It is reasonable to label most of the Americans who voted for him as stupid (except those who actually agree with the 2025 Manifesto objectives). But given what Trump's objectives are, it is quite reasonable and rational to expect him to do what he is doing.
  Also to expound on the difference between 'fascism' and small 'c' 'conservative' vs capital 'C' Conservative.
  
  I’m not making any mistake.
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  Intelligent people can choose to be willfully ignorant...
  Careful with that selection bias Debbie. Those things look sharp.

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