Open source intelligence suggests rocket was launched by Palestinian group, backing up Israel's claims
Open source intelligence suggests rocket was launched by Palestinian group, backing up Israel's claims
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While I can't take Hamas' word at face value, I also can't forget that many people who are not Israeli have a vested interest in spreading misinformation. Why did Israel change it's story so many times immediately following? Can IDF not launch missiles from inside Gaza? The article mentions this ordinance has been used by Hamas before, when? How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
This is an incredible claim and I expect incredible proof.
My man, this current conflict started with Hamas launching ~2,500 missiles at Israel. Israel famously has the Iron Dome system to shoot down the missiles that have been coming from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon for years. It is not at all an incredible claim that Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in Palestine have missiles; it's well-proven fact. Here's an info-graphic of the different types of missiles Hamas was known to have as of 2021.
The iron dome doesn't extend into Gaza right? So it wasn't a rocket interception?
Thanks friend, you're a good fella. I understand the Iron Dome is a rocket defense system, there's just a difference between missiles and rockets.
Not sure why you added “there’s just a difference between missiles and rockets”. There is a difference, but is not particularly relevant here. Many people mix up these terms anyway: the post you replied to mentions missiles but Hamas, as per linked graphic, probably only has rockets. It may matter to the iron dome system, as that relies on a predictable path of a rocket to decide what to target.
I added it because they are different. All news sources I saw said it was a missile that hit the hospital. It is reasonable to think that journalists will use the words that they mean. When a truck crashes into a building, I wouldn't look at people who only have cars for the culprit.
Do you really think most journalists will know the difference, or think it matters?
Besides, guided munitions are frequently referred to as "rocket artillery" even by the military.
How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
my man, we literally saw them firing thousands of rockets into Israel, but this one is somehow unbelievable?
How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
there are huge tunnel systems under gaza...its quite crazy.
Yeah, it was kind of BBC to let us all know that shortly before the bombing. Makes it feel like every building is a valid target, right?
Yes continue to move your goalposts, the media shared a fact relevant to what is happening, must be an Israeli conspiracy
Fuck Israel but there is no need to make shit up, there are plenty of actual Israeli-caused atrocities
incredible claim
Fuck the IDF and fuck Hamas but there isn’t anything incredible about it besides the fact that you don’t seem to like it
I have not seen Israel change it's story, do you have a source for that
First they blamed Hamas. Then they posted a video from 2022. Then they posted a video with a wrong timestamp (even though it was live). There were probably more but these are what came to mind.
Blaming Hamas makes sense if all you know is "We don't think we did this and the org we are at war with are blaming us". And I am not certain, but I want to say most of what you listed after that was less an Israeli Government statement and more The Internet (we even have shades of "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" in "hamas can't make an explosion that big")
But also? We are about 24 hours out from this. All news is breaking news. The Internet, much like The 24 Hour News Cycle, have made it incredibly easy to see every update as they exist (and, because of misinformation campaigns,non-stop FUD). But it is important to take a breath and wait for things to settle. Keep yourself informed, but avoid leaping to conclusions until there is time for third parties to vet information. And understand that, even now, we are still missing a lot of info.
And also learn how to vet your sources. because we are responding to a post that has decided the obvious answer to evidence indicating it was (probably) not the IDF is "Well, it was obviously a false flag by the IDF". Which... gets back to crisis actor and "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" territory.
I hate this breaking news armsrace because it is a breeding place for fake news, especially on social media platforms like the cesspool twitter.
I rely on two news stations a German one, mandatory founded by German citizens (so no investments and ideology from other sources needed) and Reuters. And if a news is on both and without the "not independently verified" label I believe and maybe share it.
Information to people who don't know how to parse it is dangerous and ever increasingly dangerous.
But... it is also clear that people are going to spew lies regardless. Again, "jet fuel can't melt steel beams".
And, as it stands? I very much prefer that I know a few people and orgs I trust to analyze available data. And they also document that analysis. Which is a lot better than hoping CNN paid someone competent to write a piece for Anderson Cooper to read out on air.
Like, reddit doxxing multiple victims over the years comes up every time. And... that is a definite concern. But that also gets into knowing how to vet your sources. Because I don't care what some rando on a message board says about "that sounded like a JDAM to me" or "hamas doesn't have explosives that big". I care about what people who used to be CIA analysts and have a solid track record AND who understand what information you don't publish online have to say.
It's wild to me how "jet fire can't melt steel beams" persisted as a myth. Several engineering fields know that a material's strength goes down at higher temperatures.
It's indeed true: Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, it just turns them into wet noodles.
The media companies LOVE it!!!!
https://fair.org/home/trump-bad-for-america-good-for-cbs/
Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? This is pretty amazing…. Who would have thought that this circus would come to town? But, you know—it may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS, that’s all I got to say. So what can I say? It’s—you know, the money’s rolling in, and this is fun.
While that is in regards to the orange piece of shit in America, it 100% applies to this news arms race as you call it.
They see the opportunity for money, who needs anything else once you’re first out the gate? Offer any contracts or don’t based on new evidence, it truly doesn’t matter once they get their clicks
It's important to clarify who is making those claims. Often it's some rando or someone with no credentials to be making the claim.
These are a few: https://twitter.com/MarkKersten/status/1714367614162702612, but they are saved all over if you don't trust this random dude.
Do some more research. Check who that rando is. I debunked this tweet in like 20 seconds earlier in this thread
Who downvotes people for asking for sources, pathetic
Why did Israel change it’s story so many times immediately following?
Because their psyop instinct jumped the gun without double-checking whether they actually hit any target even in the rough vicinity. Imagine a bunch of neck-bearded shitposters in uniform salivating over their keyboards, then brass storming in saying "stop that it wasn't us, this time".
A similar group (which I'm more familiar with) is still working on verifying the details. So far they agree with the geolocation data here for the direction, but they haven't verified the conclusion.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/18/identifying-possible-crater-from-gaza-hospital-blast/
go fuck yourself
