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So where are we all supposed to go now? - The Verge

www.theverge.com So where are we all supposed to go now?

Twitter’s dying, Reddit’s changing, everything else is entertainment – and there’s nowhere left to hang out.

An era of the internet is ending, and we’re watching it happen practically in real time. Twitter has been on a steep and seemingly inexorable decline for, well, years, but especially since Elon Musk bought the company last fall and made a mess of the place. Reddit has spent the last couple of months self-immolating in similar ways, alienating its developers and users and hoping it can survive by sticking its head in the sand until the battle’s over. (I thought for a while that Reddit would eventually be the last good place left, but… nope.) TikTok remains ascendent — and looks ever more likely to be banned in some meaningful way. Instagram has turned into an entertainment platform; nobody’s on Facebook anymore....

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Here’s my hope as a 40-something who came of age when the internet was just taking off.
I REALLY HOPE this is the push we need to move away from corporate-owned social media. I have high hopes for federated platforms and forums that are much more like what the internet was when it started (but better because now we have mobile devices).
I realize a lot of people see social media as being some evil thing, but we also fail to realize how much good it has done. Marginalized communities have come together online and formed real movements. People living with health conditions have been connected to one another for support and also life-changing resources and care. People who were isolated because of disability found communities.
I would like to see old-fashioned blogs and RSS make a comeback. I’d like to see forums and federated sites like Lemmy take off. I’d like to see social media sites that have been given way too much weight in society collapse. I don’t think government or reputable media outlets should ever be using a corporate for-profit entity as a means for distributing information.
- My worry now, as a bunch of us leave Reddit (the “non-social media” social media site that gave us all some internet community without the horribleness of FB/IG, etc), is that now that these companies have cornered their “gateways to the internet,” there is no wrenching them back. Whether we like it or not, the bulk of people are…well, kinda stupid. They like reality TV and don’t fast forward through commercials and they watch big bang theory and never question if companies’ existences are a net positive. They just take them as a given.
  Americans in particular seem to be pretty guilty of this, because our lifestyle lends itself to being spoon fed. It’s easier, makes life simpler…it’s just “the way things are done.” So while I’m hoping this is the beginning of us taking the internet back…I just find it hard to grasp onto any hope for big, positive change. I just feel like we’ve been beaten into submission and as the planet burns to a crisp, capitalism is just gripping the reigns tighter than ever because they know this should be about the time that people start to buck. But…we just don’t. I think even they’re surprised.
  
  The best you can do for now is to inform people. Bring it up into conversation with your friends and family. Explain it in a way thats easy to understand and show the positives of Lemmy and other fediverse platforms. Also contribute as much as you can to the fediverse because it is nothing without active communities.
  
  It's hard for social media to go away for good.
  But reddit will be like Facebook. Some people go there, but to the vast amount of people it's a joke.
  Hell, Fark is still going
- I REALLY HOPE this is the push we need to move away from corporate-owned social media.
  We have actually regressed significantly on that and we could easily go back to before it existed. Before Reddit there was (and still is) a decentralized discussion network called Usenet. It was extremely well designed and has none of the design flaws that Fedverse has. All newsgroups were automatically merged across all instances. Your UI showed you only new comments and submissions, in the newsgroups that you subscribed to. You could mark a comment tree as killed, and then you wouldn't see any new comments in that particular comment tree even while still subscribed to the newsgroup. You generally had your choice of moderated or unmoderated group for each topic, with tens of thousands of topics.
  The only reason people don't use it anymore is because all the free servers disappeared. But now I see all these new free Fedverse servers, which is great, but how come no new free Usenet servers? They could be ad supported. I started using the internet in 1982 and Fedverse feels like a reinvention of the decentralization wheel, which a bunch of design flaws the original has already solved long ago. If there were free servers again, and perhaps a new mobile client, Usenet use would skyrocket as people personally experience how easy and seamless it is.
  
  I’ve never tried Usenet, but I’ve heard little bits about it here and there. What’s a good way to give it a try?
  
  There are commercial Usenet servers you can access for $5-10 bucks/month. You can find them by google search.
  For a Usenet client you can look here.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders
  
  you can view pretty much the complete history at groups.google.com. if there any usenet group still active they would show up there as well but it's a wasteland as far as i can tell. pity, i spent billions of hours on it back in the day.
  here's a group i was active on back in the day, if you can filter it by just stuff from the 1990's you might have an idea of what it was like to use it. (of course, it was mostly terminal/console based text readers back then, web browsers were new and scary.) https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.synth
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders
  Usenet has more clients than anyone else.
- Lemmy is a good start...

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