Biden Sharpens Criticism of Israel, Calling Gaza Response ‘Over the Top’
Biden Sharpens Criticism of Israel, Calling Gaza Response ‘Over the Top’
“There are a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying,” the president said in a session with reporters. “And it’s got to stop.”
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Do you think trump would pledge more billions?
Yes.
You’re dealing in hypotheticals
Yes.
How about we don’t have genocide
That's not really an option. The most Biden could do is make it a little less genocidey, until Trump wins and then it gets a whole lot more genocidey.
the civil rights act should’ve never been passed since it cost democrats votes from racists.
Democrats won the undying fealty of the single most reliable voter bloc: Black women. Black women vote every time, even when forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Black women always vote Democrat. They will trudge through snow or hurricanes to vote Democrat. Can you say as much for the far left? Realistically, if Biden cut off aid to Israel tomorrow, there's a decent chance you'd find something else he did that you didn't like that you'd use as an excuse to not vote.
More importantly, the Civil Rights Act was popular enough that it couldn't get undone by future administrations. Anything Biden does to help Palestine or thwart Israel will be immediately undone next year when Trump takes over.
Not to mention the very real possibility of the end of our democracy. I know we're talking about Israel here so I won't dwell on it, but it's worth keeping in mind even in terms of helping Palestine long term. Can't help Palestine if we've become a Christian theocracy. Hell, we'd probably have troops there ourselves participating in the massacre.
The possibility of the end of our democracy is precisely because of the many times we've gone along with "this is just how things are" and democrats insisting that we have to work with republicans while republicans kept getting worse and worse, moving the overton window to the right. Democrats need to put their foot down and pull back the overton window to the left, that is how we can make some real changes. Democrats doing this would show people that there is a party that will actually fight for them, a party worth going through the trouble of voting for. I thought this was the lesson that would be learned from 2016 when democrats pushed through a "safe" "centrist" candidate and lost, but instead they've doubled down.
israel doesn't need to have bipartisan support. Yes, aipac has a lot of power, but it's because of this undying support for israel which creates this feedback loop. Doing the right thing is worth it in the long run.
Democrats need to put their foot down and pull back the overton window to the left
Yes, I'm sure a Republican win will definitely help pull things left. What the hell, dude.
Do you think republicans got this bad while winning every single election?
Every single time they win, things get worse. Remember what happened in 2016 when people decided to not vote, so they could send a message to the DNC?
Yes, that was my point, republicans make a tangible difference when they get in while democrats mostly sit with their thumb up their ass. Interesting how trump did more in 4 years than obama did in 8. I do remember when the DNC pushed through an insanely unpopular candidate while also promoting trump as much as they could because they thought he'd be easy to win against. Somehow democrats think they can be smug and say "I told you so" when they're the stupid fucks who lost against a clown that they helped set up as the opponent. It's a joke party and their representative animal being a jackass suits them well.
Ohhh so you're one of those people. Your mask slipped a bit - you changed "made things worse" into "made a difference".
So this whole time you only cared about hurting the Democrats, huh? You sure don't sound like a Russian asset. What's your motivation?
Or -- hold onto your seat for this stunning twist -- I said "make a tangible difference" to emphasize that they're making a tangible difference that people can feel. Being worse is a difference, galaxy brain.
Sure, but with very different connotations. I'm not an idiot, I see what you did.
But if you're still going to pretend this is a normal discussion there's no point in me continuing.
When democrats win, nothing gets better either. Our political systems are shown to obviously cater to corporations instead of the will of the people. It's time to stop voting for the lesser of two evils bullshit and rise the fuck up.
When democrats win, nothing gets better either.
Bullshit lies and republican propaganda. Fuck off with your "both sides". Give Democrats power, and they make people's lives better.
I could find HUNDREDS of other examples, but I won't, because you won't listen, because you're a troll with an agenda. Fuck you and the elephant you rode in on.
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Democrats: save 10s of thousands of people from dying
You: "eh, whatever"
And you wonder why Democrats pander to the moderates. Nothing is ever good enough for you people.
More genocide, record oil production, arming the border, starting new wars in the middle east. No that's not fucking good enough lol.
Keep shifting right, I'm sure that can't backfire.
Your purity testing is WHY we've been shifting right.
This is a long one, so I'm sure you won't bother, but it's an excellent deep dive into how "the perfect is the enemy of the good" has been borne out in the past few decades. TL;DR: left wing infighting has consistently ceded control to right wing fascists.
https://theintercept.com/2022/06/13/progressive-organizing-infighting-callout-culture/
So you're saying in terms of genocide your vote has no impact whatsoever?
Well technically, Biden is pushing back somewhat on Israel, so it's a less bad genocide with Biden.
But in terms of whether there will be genocide? No, your vote doesn't matter. At least in the short run.
I do think this has the possibility of pushing the Democratic party away from Israel in the future. Even staunch Zionists are starting to feel a little uneasy with the scale of the massacre.
Sounds like it's time to start fresh.
Also not on the table. It's either Trump or Biden.
Good luck with that.
Thanks. We need it.
Something we can agree on lol.