Judge fines Donald Trump more than $360 million, bars him from running businesses in N.Y. for three years
Judge fines Donald Trump more than $360 million, bars him from running businesses in N.Y. for three years
The former president denied any wrongdoing, calling the case "a fraud on me."
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Hope long will it be tied up in appeals, 3 years?
In New York State you have to front 110% of the money before you can appeal. So he would have to front $390M just to file the appeal.
His whole 2016 campaign raised $330M for context.
He's also on record under oath saying he has $400M cash on hand meaning if he doesn't actually have the cash on hand he perjured himself as well.
He would likely do this by buying a bond. It would be substantial though, and even if he won the appeal the bond would like cost like $35 million or something he would never get back, and he needs to pay that before the appeal. It's all money being sapped away from the republican party at least.
He would likely do this by buying a bond.
In the $5 million E. Jean Carroll case, Trump paid the $5 million in cash on appeal. He claimed it was to avoid the fees of buying a bond but some have argued that no bond lenders would agree to lend to Trump due to the risk of not being paid back. If that's the case, Trump is going to be fronting a lot of cash in a short amount of time. Even a billionaire doesn't want $400 million tied up in escrow accounts.
He can just get a loan from Saudi Arabia. $400 million ain't shit to MBS.
But even amoral lenders want to be paid back.
Saudi Arabia may prefer trump over Biden, but not to the tune of a $400M gift.
If they aren't sure Trump would pay them back, they won't give it to him.
He's barred from using any banks or other financial institutions registered in New York to do it, which includes pretty much all banks operating in USA which may have enough funds available to issue it. So if he doesn't have the cash on hand then he absolutely need to start begging private financiers to help him
A while, I'm sure. The thing is, to appeal a ruling you have to be able to show that some part of the process wasn't within the letter of the law. Trying to appeal will certainly buy some time, but not much if the attempt is unsuccessful. Given the wealth of evidence against the organization, I wouldn't think the appeal will be successful.
And he has to pony up the $ or collateral now.
This will ultimately be what does him in. He can play legal games for years with ease, but the moment he's forced to pony up actual hard cash his house of cards will collapse. Best case scenario for him right now is that he can dip into the GOP's finances to pay this fine, although if he does so that's opening up yet another can of worms that's likely to come back and bite him. No bank is going to loan him money, and his supporters collectively don't have enough cash to cover that fee even if he could convince them to send him even more money.
Any more judgements like this one and he's going to have to start seriously liquidating assets and with how leveraged most of them probably are even that's going to net him a lot less actual cash than it might seem like. There's a reason he grifts so hard and it's not because he's so amazingly successful.
Watch him dip into GOP funds, croak, and leave the GOP holding the bag.
We can only hope
This is really the best part of all this.
Every dollar the GOP spends on Trump's legal issues (which in fairness they kinda have to do since they've now molded the entire party around that one person) is a dollar that they're not spending on his campaign, not spending on polling and research, not spending on skilled campaign managers and advisors, and especially not spending on downticket races.
We're still far enough out from November that I haven't bothered to read up on contested house and senate seats, or state government races that are predicted to possibly flip one way or the other, but a cash strapped Republican party will have less money to pump into those races as well.
I think he probably has more cash than you think. Selling one or more of his properties to flip the bill will be embarrassing, but there is no doubt he has the financial means to weather this storm.
Selling a large commercial asset is NOT what anyone wants to do right now. He would be selling at a loss and it would be a huge ego hit.
Additionally selling a large real estate property is exceptionally difficult to do in a short amount of time.
That's what makes it even sweeter, this is equivilant to main lineing a barrel of corn syrup. Fucking love it
I think he can cover all the judgements to date, but I don't think he'll be able to do so without selling multiple properties unless he can steal the money from the GOP. But selling any of his properties is going to hurt him badly. He's relying on the revenue from those properties to cover his expenses and the more of them he's forced to liquidate the more precarious his finances will be. A few more judgements against him in the hundreds of millions range like this one and even selling every last property he owns might not be enough.
You can't embarrass or shame Trump, he doesn't care, but if you force him to actually pay his bills? Now that, that will hurt him badly.
You can't embarrass or shame Trump, he doesn't care, but if you force him to actually pay his bills? Now that, that will hurt him badly.
What’s to stop him from just declaring bankruptcy to avoid all of this, aside from him losing face?
Because bankruptcy proceedings would effectively have to wait in the legal queue in this case
Jean Carrol case he needs to put down the money to appeal, is it not the same here?
He can technically appeal anyway, but he has very limited options.
If he pays in 30 days and appeals AND if the appeals court hears the case, then the money will be held by the court and then he can request that they stay the judgment, AND if they agree money is returned (but he can still lose and have to pay again).
If it goes to appeals and they don't stay judgement then if he wins it also gets paid back. Or if he loses then the government claims it, of course.
If he don't pay in 30 days then the government can start seizing assets and auction them off EVEN IF he appeals, which absolutely would be horrible for him. If he won on appeal after that he'd get compensated for it, but not without collateral damage due to his complete lack of control over what assets to keep or sell.