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I mean that's exactly what I am talking about. How was Israel in a position to cut anything? Because it was them supplying in the first place. To you expect them to keep on feeding and supplying after the attacks? You kill my festival goers and cry foul if I stop giving water and electricity in return? Maybe don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Honestly, it blows my fucking mind how utterly delusional people like you are.
A hypothetical, if you will: you own a house and assume (for some legitimate reason) that you own the land around it as well. Well, the state informs you that you don't actually own the whole land and I'm gonna build a house next to you.
No issue there, plenty to go around. But then for the next few generations, I keep annexing your land bit by bit. I even annex most of your house, and now you're living in the cupboard under the stairs, because I made you.
Would you feel anger? Well, that's irrelevant. At that point, you're dependent on me, because of my actions.
Does that justify then locking you in the cupboard without food, electricity or water? Does that make it okay for me to deprive you of basic human rights?
Especially because you didn't even do anything. It was your violent cousin that you have no contact with and who you think should be in jail. But he shares your surname, so I use that to justify my crimes against you.
UN notes I'm wrong. A majority of the international community agrees I'm breaking your basic human rights.
I still refuse to admit I'm doing anything wrong.
End of hypothetical. Do you see anything wrong with it?
No. And now you'll regurgitate some more zionist prppaganda while completely ignoring the UN's position that Israel is committing warcrimes. You simply can not admit any flaw with Israel, because of your programming.
Please. Please, prove me wrong.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146587
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146242
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/un-court-has-ruled-on-gaza-genocide-case-heres-what-happens-now.html
Did I say I approve the land stealing and settlement policies? What I said is that going on a killing spree and running amok on a music festival is not an acceptable reaction, even if you're being treated unfair and your land is being stolen. And if your government thinks it is then this kinda does become your responsibility.
What you're saying is that "genocide is the correct and moral choice in this situation".
Isn't it?
Are you denying the Israeli are genociding Palestinians?
No matter how horrid the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel were, they do not justify genociding Palestinians.
And fucking shame on you for implying it does.
"It's the Palestinians own fault they're being genocided"
Where did you grow up, might I ask?
That is not at all what I said. And I do indeed not believe Israel is genociding palestinians. The settlement policies are shitty but they do not equal genocide. Refusing supplies if Hamas takes control of them, that's also not too much to ask. And if Hamas declines, who is it now that is denying supplies to palestinians? It's a shitty situation but no, genocide is something else entirely.
I grew up in Germany and you're right, that might have influenced my views about how people are responsible for their government and how extremism has consequences.
"I know better than the UN and the majority of the international community, they're all just propagating Hamas' lie but everything Israel says is 100% true and they've not done anything wrong"
See the part a few comments ago where I said my mind is honestly blown by how delusional people like you can be.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
Court order Detailing the provisional measures that Israel should implement, the ICJ judge noted that both South Africa and Israel were States parties to Genocide Convention and therefore had agreed “to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide”.
Quoting article 2 of the key international treaty signed in the aftermath of the Second World War, Judge Donoghue explained that genocide was defined as “acts committed with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The two-million-strong Palestinian population did indeed constitute a distinct group in the court’s view, she said.
Turning to the article 3 of the Genocide Convention, which prohibits “conspiracy to commit genocide” and public incitement to commit genocide, the judge said that the ICJ had taken note of a number of statements made by senior Israeli officials.
These included comments by Yoav Galant, Defense Minister of Israel, who reportedly told troops on the border with the enclave that they were fighting “human animals” who were the “ISIS of Gaza”.
You're simply refusing reality, because you've been brainwashed.
You grew up in Germany. I believe the schools in Germany teach the history of the holocaust pretty well. If you were awake for even a minute during even a single lesson, you must have heard about how the Jewish people were treated during WWII, and with what rhetoric the Nazis justified that with.
But you're still unable to perceive that when Israel is doing it? Even when UN and the majority of the international community agree vehemently that Israel is committing crimes against humanity?
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Of course I do see the facist tendencies also in Israel and their government. And of course, I never said what happened to palestine now and before is all fun and games. It's just that I think Hamas and leaving them unchecked is so much worse. That's it really, choosing the lesser of two evils.
"Lesser of two evils"
Being a victim of systemic genocide because you have cousins who fought against being genocides is "more evil" than actually systematically genociding people?
See it's things like these which make my stomach turn over when I read your comments.
So do you deny Israel is genociding Palestinians?
In one of you comments, you said that under no circumstances should anyone be killing kids.
Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying "I'm choosing the lesser evil"? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
In my book it's more like Hamas=Hitler and bombing Gaza=bombing Dresden if we want to keep the analogies.
And also your twisting my words, I was talking about targeting kids. The question is are the kids dying because they are actively being targeted or because Hamas dug a tunnel under their house. That's a difference. And actively targeting kids is 100% not IDF military doctrine, the same is evidently not true for Hamas.
Have you spent a year in birthright or why is a German so utterly, utterly delusional and brainwashed? Oh no wait, you never said you were German. You only said you grew up there. Going by your rhetoric, you've definitely listened to Israeli state propaganda, and a lot of it.
I did very early on say I'm amazed at the level of your delusions.
Israel is targeting kids. They know this. Everyone know this. There's A METRIC FUCKTON OF OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE OF IT WHICH YOU KEEP IGNORING.
Carpet bombing an area in which more than 50% of the population are kids is targeting kids.
You're simply so brainwashed you will never accept this. You're like the Germans who allowed Jewish people to be genocided in plain view, yelling Heil Hitler, but after the war pretended they knew nothing about it.
You think Israeli state propaganda is more accurate than the rest of the world? The reports of the UN and all news sources, all fake, owned by Hamas? Because Israel is the only one denying what everyone can see. A despicable, horrible, purposeful genocide in which a vast majority of victims are women and children.
You are contributing to murdering women and children with that rhetoric, you sick f*ck.
#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
#2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years
On 19 December 2023, between 2000 and 2300 hours, IDF reportedly surrounded and raided Al Awda building, also known as the “Annan building”, in Al Remal neighborhood, Gaza City, where three related families were sheltering in addition to Annan family. According to witness accounts circulated by media sources and Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, while in control of the building and the civilians sheltering there, the IDF allegedly separated the men from the women and children, and then shot and killed at least 11 of the men, mostly aged in their late 20’s and early 30’s, in front of their family members. The IDF then allegedly ordered the women and children into a room, and either shot at them or threw a grenade into the room, reportedly seriously injuring some of them, including an infant and a child. OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding, although the details and circumstances of the killings are still under verification. IDF has not released any information on the incident.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/gashc4386.doc.htm
#Third Committee Condemns Brutal Bombing of Gaza Hospital, Enforced Displacement of Palestinian Civilians, Emphasizes Urgent Need for Unimpeded Humanitarian Aid
AND the systemic targeting has been going on for years.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-179791/
Since 1967, Israel has systematically targeted Palestinians including children – HRC 28th session – NGO Submission, Annex (Palestine Independent Commission for Human Rights)
How fucking childish does a person need to be to believe Israeli state porpaganda? You probably also think Putler didn't have Navalny killed? That a healthy man in his forties just happened to drop dead?
Do you understand the size difference between Gaza and Afghanistan? Keep that in mind.
As the IDF dropped more bombs on Gaza in 6 days than the US did on Afghanistan in a year.
#Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam
#Palestinian death toll passes 25,000 as Israel announces the death of another hostage
**More than half of those are children. **
"iSrAeL iSnT tArGeTiNg kIdS!!!" — brainwashed morons
If you don't accept that Israel is committing crimes against humanity, that they're committing genocide, then you are literally delusional.
Wtf you're making this about my family background now? Which by the way is german for as far as I can trace it back, and that's quite a few generations. But how is this relevant?
And you're mixing stuff up, like Afghanistan also has quite a different population density and consists of desert for a large part, that might have something to do with it don't you think? And the nature of the conflict is also quite different.
And you know what? I'm not even denying that atrocities like Annan building happen also on IDF side. But these are nutjubs that act without IDF chain of command approval and without following standard IDF processes. And there is a legal system in place where they are being dealt with and punished. Is it still unfair? Of course it is. But in palestine terrorist attackers are hailed as martyrs and their families get payouts by Hamas. That still makes the Israeli side much better in my view.
And also it's not Israel vs. the rest of the world as you make it out to be. Israel is far from isolated on this and for a good reason.