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  • Our individual senses/perception has its limits as well yet we also surpass these limits through social interactions, there is no concept-idea of free will in a vaccuum.

    • I agree, things are complex. I just think free will implies humans are above the material world in some way. That a porcupine will simply react to it's senses in accordance with how it evolved and the current conditions, while humans have some sort of metaphysical "control."

      • Expand on the so called material and the so called metaphysical as used here

        • Material is that which is real. Metaphysical Can mean a lot of things, but I intend it as beyond physical reality. I am suggesting that even secularized “free will” believers believe in a “soul” of sorts.

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