If we can ban trans medical procedures, why haven't we banned circumcision?
If we can ban trans medical procedures, why haven't we banned circumcision?
Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn't have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.
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I am not pro circumcision, but as someone who worked in peds urology before, a parent of a new son really should take a moment to ensure they are actually going to be able to keep the kid's penis clean, because phimosis and balanitis and later childhood circumcision are pretty awful. Betnovate cream can resolve a lot of it but making that decision later in life when you're at the point of excessive scarring and infection because you weren't honest with yourself about your ability to keep you kid clean is a bad way to end up. If you honestly are squicked out by penis hygiene as a parent just go ahead and circ them in infancy so you don't put them through hell later. That is way worse.
I’ve noticed this problem before. I’m cut, and my parents weren’t even capable of acknowledging that sex exists, much less telling me how to clean my dick or what I would need to do to keep things retractable. Later in life, my wife and I were sexually active with a friend who is uncut, and we both noticed that he could not fully retract his foreskin and he didn’t even know he was supposed to be able to. He didn’t believe me at first when I, as a circumcised man, was delicately trying to inform him that he had a medical issue. It looked painful sometimes.
Puritanism and embarrassment about sex has not only crippled conversations about birth control and safety, it has also left many generations of men completely uninformed about a major organ in their body.
That said, I have struggled with a lack of sensation, and my friend was extremely sensitive. I have wondered if it was the difference in circumcision. I would not circumcise my son if I had one.
You were right to tell him! And yes I'm sure being circed leads to desensitization.
But honestly parents like this should just be honest and say they aren't going to be able to handle it. Later childhood circumcision is a pretty awful thing to endure. I don't wish for circumcision for anyone but I also don't want some poor kid in pain because of thoughtless parents.
Agreed. Between the two of us, I’d rather have my little doubts about what my dick should have felt rather than his present problem of a very tight foreskin. That said, I think we both would have preferred the third option of having parents who properly prepared us to take care of our bodies.
Later childhood circumcision is a pretty awful thing to endure. I don’t wish for circumcision for anyone but I also don’t want some poor kid in pain because of thoughtless parents.
I've never understood this line of reasoning. You think that a baby ISN'T in pain when you circumsize him? I'm pretty sure he's in just as much pain as if he would have experienced it later on in life.
That's not what I'm saying. I think being circed is terrible but it's a lot worse dealing with it later in life. I've seen kids end up in ER with phimosis it's so bad. If you are not going to clean your child, be realistic is all I'm saying.
Do you know just how small a newborn's penis is? There is one widely publicized case where a newborn had his entire penis BURNED OFF because the doctor fucked up. (it's a really horrible story where they tried to convince the child he was actually a girl. He later killed himself.)
It may not be pleasant for an older child but the surgery would be easier since the child is much bigger now.
Yes I read that book. I'm just saying the pain of late circ is pretty awful in my experience compared to a newborn. They don't use the cautery method they used for that baby anymore.
I had a friend who had a circumsion in his teens, and the way he speaks about it, it sounds like he got PTSD from the ordeal. This dude is one of the toughest people I have met in my life and he said it was the most painful thing he had ever endured.
I mention this, because it kind of adds to both of your points. Yes, circumcisions are extremely painful, and it is messed up to do to a baby who can't consent, in most cases. At the same time, I have never met anyone who has PTSD from being circumsized as a baby. If the procedure is inevitable for a person, its probably better to do it to them as a baby, because the trauma from it will be forgotten.
That being said, the procedure should be much rarer than it is now, at least in the US. It should only be done for medical reasons, not cosmetic ones.
The vast vast vast vast majority of men in the world are uncut and fine.
There is one widely publicized case where a newborn had his entire penis BURNED OFF because the doctor fucked up. (it’s a really horrible story where they tried to convince the child he was actually a girl. He later killed himself.)
It also kills about a hundred babies a year.
And yeah, that kid's story is super fucked up if it's the one I'm thinking. After they burned his dick off, Dr. Money proposed raising and treating him as a girl in line with his theories about gender identity and gender roles (he's actually the guy who coined the term "gender role"). Which went to all kinds of fucked up places like simulated sexual roleplay with his brother to reinforce the feminine role. He eventually transitioned back to being a man once he was an adult, and later killed himself. The case gets referenced by right wingers pretty often as an example of "trans ideology" being dangerous and about grooming.
The pain of entities we see as under ourselves is not real, don't ya know
actually it's from a long held belief (that is SO wrong) that newborns don't feel pain. In fact they used to operate on newborns WITHOUT anesthesia.
And they wondered why the infant mortality rate was so high from those surgeries...
I don't see why this is an actually moment, that was part of my point
It's most definitely the difference in circumcision. You've effectively developed calluses on the head of your penis while mine and others stay nice and sheathed until ready for use.
Thanks, doctor. /s
Soap on dick is hard.