Not just the UNRWA report: Countless accounts of Israeli torture in Gaza
Not just the UNRWA report: Countless accounts of Israeli torture in Gaza
Al Jazeera spoke to several released detainees about their ordeals in Israeli holding facilities.
Practices recorded by UNRWA include the use of a nail gun on prisoners’ knees, sexual abuse against both men and women and the insertion of what appears to be an electrified metal stick into prisoners’ rectums.
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You know what has got to stop?
People thinking any mention of a personal attribute of the other person is an "ad hominem."
That's not what "argumentum ad hominem" means.
Here's an example.
"You are wrong, because [a long list of logic, with good supporting evidence from credible sources], you [enterinsult]."
That is not an ad hominem. Here's an example of what would be:
"You are wrong, because you are a [enterinsult.]"
I'm not inventing this shit. I'm not generalising. He is an Israeli person by all accounts, and he's touting IDF propaganda. So in this case, it is actually factual as well. In most cases, people are using ad hominem, because they're going "no, we don't need to listen to you, because you are a [enterfactioninsult]". That IS an ad hominem. Deconstructing the actual rhetoric used by the IDF and calling the other person a troll for refusing to engage with any of the evidence is actually, factual, and not the argument I'm making.
"Elevate the discourse."
You know I'm so tired of this. I'm honestly tired of people getting more worked up about a mild insult online than they are of actual genocide going on. If I could count the times someone's gotten mad and used that as an excuse to highroad me, oh boy, it'd be in the tens of thousands. It's ridiculous. There are far more pressing issues in the world than trying "not cuss" at other people.
It's infuriating honestly. Especially when it's a really mild and accurate "insulting" description from a comment in which I actually make a proper argument, with sources. In my opinion, that sort of "no we can't use that kind of language" is exactly the sort of attitude why bad people are in power in the world. Because people think "you should always respect the person you're talking to." Fuck that. I'm not going to respect a person who is defending the genocide of children. No, sir, I will not.
And we shouldn't respect the billionaires and other fuckers either. There's the disconnect. We all want to live in a good world, and want everyone to be respectful and respectable, but not everyone is, and the people who keep exploiting every normal, respectable person, don't deserve respect. And we should make it very clear to them.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
I’m honestly tired of people getting more worked up about a mild insult online than they are of actual genocide going on
that isn't what's happening here.
Yes, it is.
you're wrong. i know what i'm more upset about, and i'm actually the authority on my own feelings.
people think “you should always respect the person you’re talking to.”
i didn't say that. but i do think that you should be respectful in communities where that is a stated value. you don't need to respect them but you do need to be responsible for your own behavior regardless of how much respect you have for them.
People thinking any mention of a personal attribute of the other person is an “ad hominem.”
did you find an allusion to ad hominem in my comment somewhere?
I did, yes.
can you show where that was?
Honestly, your way of replying is so fucking annoying, that I prefer not to.
You got mad and left me like 6 replies, and you think you're "elevating the discourse"?
Don't teach your father to fuck.
You got mad
no, i didn't.
you think you’re “elevating the discourse”?
yea. i didn't make this personal. i am explaining myself as best i can and not assuming your motivation.
"As best as I can"
You can't even contain your replies to a single reply, but have to make a separate reply for every little bit that you address. There hasn't been any input into this conversation from you except "don't call IDF trolls IDF trolls though you're clearly not even exaggerating unlike the people I'm speaking out against. Now please proceed to answer my sealioning about my rhetoric because I'm offended."
No thanks.
Honestly, why do you use several replies when answering a single comment?
why do you use several replies when answering a single comment?
Now please proceed to answer my sealioning about my rhetoric because I’m offended.”
your characterization of me as a sealion is bad faith and assumes you know what I know, what I don't know, and more about my motivations than I've communicated.
your assumptions are incorrect in this regard.
further, I didn't think you would be replying after your last comment
I said I prefer not to answer your meandering questions.
Looking at your profile, you've been told this several times now, you write incoherently, spam several comments by answering every separate sentence from a comment with a new reply, and you still just do it? "Elevate the discourse", by making it incoherent gibberish?
Very reminiscent of poor propaganda techniques. I'm not sure I'm not dealing with another Israeli troll. Or perhaps even with the same one, who just switched accounts. I'm not accusing of that though, because as of now, I'm only suspicious of it.
Seems like you're here to confound the discourse, not to elevate it.
its gobsmacking that you went through my comments and you're accusing me of supporting Israel.
you’ve been told this several times now
I don't let people tell me what to do.
You just tell other people to do things you think you know how to do? "Elevate the discourse."
Read the comments better. Spend sometime reading before you start larping a philosopher. "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Ancient Jedi Wisdom
Learn how to use a forum and how to have basic respect for others, so you can learn when it's appropriate to disrespect them.
That's all little nephew, hope you have a fun time never being able to have a conversation and always having to go on tirades about why you think your schizophrenic way of using Lemmy should be the standard and how everyone else should just use your way instead of the better way that it's used currently. Because... "you don't let people tell you what to do". Honestly, I suggest you do. At least for like the next 10 years or so.
I’m not going to respect a person who is defending the genocide of children. No, sir, I will not.
nor should you.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
right... popper also helped develop our approach to undisprovable claims, and claiming someone is a troll or a shill or a bot is one of those. it serves no purpose in the discussion, but it does create a more toxic environment.
