Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel
Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel
House Democrats wrote a letter to U.S. President Joe Biden urging them to halt the the transfer of weapons until a full investigation into the airstrike was completed.
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Wonder if lemmy's pro-genocide centrists are gonna start calling Pelosi a Russian now.
Looking over the comments I see absolutely no one that is pro genocide. Pretty much all the viewpoints are sensible: Unanimously anti-Israel, sometimes skeptically approving of Pelosi doing something good for once.
For what reason could you be painting the picture of an outlandish strawman view opposed to your own which doesn’t exist, I wonder
He's clearly upset that people call him a "Russian". It's that simple.
My point is that his coming in here saying “genocide is bad!” is meeting with 0 resistance but instead full throated agreement from everybody, yet he’s still claiming there must be pro genocide people, I guess implying that is the only reason anyone could possibly disagree with him on other issues, or accuse him of being a Russian plant (*), is that they like genocide and for no factual well reasoned reason
(*) Or, more generally, dishonest; I have no idea if he’s Russian specifically or not
My point is that his coming in here saying “genocide is bad!” is meeting with 0 resistance
What unmitigated horseshit. You dare call me dishonest after posting this lie. I've attracted the attention of lemmy's two most strident supporters of Netanyahu's genocide. I don't like mentioning downvotes, but you brought up resistance. Have a look at how many genocide loving centrists took personal offense at my speculation about Pelosi and downvoted me.
So then I said, you're conflating someone disagreeing with you which lots of people do for valid reasons, with supporting genocide which pretty much no one on Lemmy does.
And then you said, how DARE you say no one supports genocide when so many people are disagreeing with me, which by definition means they're pro genocide.
So then I said, you’re conflating someone disagreeing with you which lots of people do for valid reasons, with supporting genocide which pretty much no one on Lemmy does.
They don't tell me their "valid reasons." They just scream the usual garbage "Russian Chinese Tankie Republican child shill bot" shit that centrists say when they can't actually argue their point.
What "valid reasons" are there to support the continued sales of weapons that are being used for genocide?
So then I said, dude no one's actually supporting genocide
And then you said la la la, I can't HEEAR you, they're such bad unreasonable people all these people in the thread who love Israel's war and want the weapons flow to continue, like look at the top 3 comments in this thread for example and see how not at all unanimous is the "genocide bad" consensus, that's totally exactly why people are downvoting me is because they love love love genocide sooooo much
What “valid reasons” are there to support the continued sales of weapons that are being used for genocide?
It's like if a tumblr reading comprehension meme came to life after wishing to become a real boy
I say "Biden should stop supporting genocide."
Centrists respond with false accusations, abuse, condescension, dismissal, and gaslighting. They do not respond with their "valid reasons" for disagreeing with "Biden should stop supporting genocide," but they certainly make it clear that they hate anyone who says it.
What conclusion should I draw from that other than "centrists support genocide"?
I know you're going to try to limit the scope of discussion to this thread alone, as though my original comment wasn't based on the broader context of centrists calling people who want Biden to stop selling weapons that he knows will be used for genocide "russian."
If you claim that you've never seen it happen anywhere on lemmy, you're lying.
Wish it was my first day on lemmy too. Stick around, you'll see them soon enough
Aaaand someone called her a Chinese asset in the comments here.
They're mocking her earlier comments about protesters. I don't read that as being a serious claim.
Looking over the comments I see absolutely no one that is pro genocide
I've successfully summoned two so far.
"Wonder if" are the first two words of my comment. I was speculating.
For what reason could you be painting the picture of an outlandish strawman view opposed to your own which doesn’t exist, I wonder
Gaslight someone else. I regularly get called a russian when I say Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Something on your mind? Guilty conscience?
You don't know what a conscience is, genocide apologist.
Jerrrrr nerrr serrrrd
It's like the only word you people know. Back in my day, trolls used to put in effort.
You would mock genocide.
#oneword
Which obfuscatory polite euphemism would you prefer I use?
Well, I would suggest you find something new pretty quickly, because things are changing with Israel. And I know you don't actually care about Israel, you just want to attack Biden.
If Biden ever stops supporting genocide, I'll stop saying he supports genocide.
His statements are starting to change, but his actions have not. Pressure on Biden to cease his support for Netanyahu's genocide may be starting to work. If he actually listens and stops selling weapons that he knows will be used for genocide, I will be fucking ecstatic. Not only because I won't be expected to vote for a man who is actively supporting genocide, but because I want a president who is responsive to progressives' concerns.
I'm the same way about Biden's student loan forgiveness. Up until the day he announced the first attempt, I was sure he was the same Biden who championed the law that made sure people could not discharge student loans via bankruptcy. I was sure he would never change. I'm happy I was wrong. I'm happy he listened to progressives and not centrists. When it was shot down by SCOTUS, he could have given up forever and announced that he tried. He didn't. He had a contingency plan ready to go and has persisted in forgiving what he can with the power he has. This is what I want to see.
If Biden proves responsive on this issue, FUCKING AWESOME!
I have every right to criticize Biden where I think he should improve. Everyone does.
See, pretty much 100% of this comment I agree with -- this is exactly my view. I actually had exactly the same experience where I didn't expect things like student loan forgiveness out of Biden and then was surprised - he's a rich white guy who's worked in Washington all his life; my expectations were quite low.
Nah they’ll claim Nancy is voting for Trump.