Members of DSA went to Cuba and met with Dissidents (and declined to meet with the President)
Members of DSA went to Cuba and met with Dissidents (and declined to meet with the President)
Late last year, the International Committee organized a DSA delegation to Cuba consisting of members of our national leadership and rank-and-file DSA members. The delegation to Cuba came in the context of a particularly harsh period of repression by the United States. Cuba was placed back on the US ...
The entire article is very good and gives a solid reasoning (for baby leftists, not anyone here) of why we need to support Cuba. It also highlights the weakness of both the DSA and the DSA IC from within that allowed this to happen + the steps they need to take. Give it a read. (The more I read stuff like this plus the history of real movements I realize why things like DemCent and other hardline ML things are needed but that's not a discussion for here).
I'm highlighting just the parts relevant to the title.
Multiple delegates chose to skip out on parts of the programming, including declining to meet with the president of Cuba, who held a frank conversation with the delegates who did attend for more than two hours.
Throughout the trip, members of the delegation from the Reform & Revolution Caucus (R&R) and the Socialist Majority Caucus (SMC) criticized the Cuban government both to our Cuban hosts and other DSA members, and skipped out on multiple delegation events. Most shamefully, both Maria (representing R&R) and Renée (representing SMC, and a member of the current NPC) skipped out on meeting with President Díaz-Canel, who spent more than 2 hours in a frank discussion specifically addressing the critiques these very same DSA members brought up to their Cuban hosts earlier on the trip. This means that the Cuban hosts were listening thoughtfully to the critiques and relayed them back to the President. That our Cuban comrades would care this deeply and thoroughly about our critiques is a sign that they honor us as equals and truly want to make ties with U.S. socialists, as relatively powerless as we are.
Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups while on delegation, which when taken together with the fact of her skipping the meeting with the comrade President suggests a goal of undermining the Cuban socialist state, not defending it against U.S. imperialism. Furthermore, R&R declined to follow what few guidelines the International Committee offered around discussion of the trip after returning. Delegates were instructed to keep news of the conversation with President Díaz-Canel private until an official reportback; R&R decided instead to discuss this at their caucus panel, pre-empting the official reportback.
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Just to put into focus... literally nobody's opinions matter about this crap as randos on the internet. Yes the behavior was beyond the pale but you aren't doing anything about it by yelling at strangers on the internet. If the Cubans made it clear they were offended by the behavior I could understand more of the "sky is falling" reactions but yeah. I have seen no indications of that and the trip was overall reported as a success. I will not be responding to any comments.
This is just stuffing your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes, it doesn’t actually address the shameful behavior
Ok I'll be addressing one comment. My entire point is that this is a problem for people in the org to deal with. Not randos on the internet. You aren't going to angrily post until DSA makes them step down. For real though. I don't want to talk about this with people who are going to take things in the worst faith possible.
No I can definitely mock chauvinist being chauvinists and drag the organization they represent for failing to censure or suspend them
Whatever makes you feel better.
Why is it that when succs show their whole ass a quarter of this website comes out to indirectly defend them through concern trolling and obfuscating tedious circle drawing? There's some kind of epistemological breakdown of meaning and language that happens whenever reformists get caught being pathetic chauvinists and called out explicitly. Same shit happened when Nathan J Robinson was exposed for chauvinist shit, tons of people who were like “your criticism is bad faith you are just posting on the internet who even cares?” or "What even is good? What even is bad? Why are we, small specks of dust in the universe investing any energy into anything?" When they obviously care a lot and are circling wagons, but they know they can’t actually put up a solid defense of the specifics, so they resort to more generic nihilistic and “above it all” attitudes. The smiling arrogant face of dishonesty tbh
If Lenin were alive today all his arguments against Kautsky ,Martov, Plekhanov Kropotkin or anyone would be just "newspaper slap fights" which is what he and other Marxists including Marx himself were accused of back in there day. The internet is the modern day newspapers the modern day public forum of course it should be treated with seriousness if we believe that the cause we are advancing is serious. https://www.neac.gov.cn/seac/c103372/202201/1156517.shtml
"Forming a consensus is no easy task, and so we all need to work harder. To attain our goals, we will need to form concentric circles both online and offline. What do I mean by concentric circles? I mean rallying all the people of China under the leadership of the CPC, and motivating people of all walks of life to engage in a concerted effort to bring about the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.
The ancients used to say, "The person that knows a leaking roof is the one who is under that roof; the person that knows an error of the court is the one who is not in power."1 If netizens are the "grassroots", as many of them refer to themselves, then the internet is today's "grassroots" platform. Netizens are members of the general public. If members of the public go online, so does public opinion. Our officials need to go wherever the public goes, otherwise how else are they expected to maintain ties with them? "
- Xi Jinping
Who are you even arguing with. I would vote for them to step down.
Going up to the peanut gallery that is mocking some idiot in a dunk tank, and being like “actually you shouldn’t dunk because this is internal DSA business” is nerd shit and bad faith and you know it. They are as ripe for mockery as any idiot
Either dunk the person, defend them, or don’t comment. I don’t see the point of your tedious rule mongering
You're free to waste your time however you like but I'm disengaging before any more of mine is.
Comrade, you are in the dunk tank. Why are you acting so high and mighty?
You aren't going to angrily post until DSA makes them step down.
this is a shiposting forum, for shitposting
nobody thinks they're changing the dsa by posting on chapo dot chat
gentlethems you cannot shitpost in here, this is the dunk tank!