Dé-fédération de hexbear

jlai.lu hexbear.net, il faut qu'on en parle. - jlai.lu

Je suis le seul qui a un problème avec cette instance? Il se sont fédérés récemment à la plupart des grosses instances, et à chaque fois que je vois leur commentaires sur certains fils de lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] (par exemple), ça me semble assez probable qu’ils sont liés au PCC. https://jlai.lu/p...

L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

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Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.
Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.
I already said I want to defederate with you. You get a pass on engaging with this comment because English is your second language.
- You're not leaving me, I'm leaving you!
  
  I would have made my own post first but didn't know you exist until this post. Then I agreed with it. A more apt analogy would be getting a random text saying "I'm breaking up with you" and replying "ok".
  
  An actually apt analogy would be one of your theater club mate receiving a text advising to leave the theater club because it's full of dubious people, your mate saying "lol no", and you sending a 10 pages pamphlet to the friend sending the text accusing them to be a fascist, completely unprompted.
  
  The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them is on the same forum as the person who uses "tanky" as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks. I would ask how you see yourself ideologically, but you aren't making a good case for not being a fascist forum so that definition wouldn't mean much. Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with tankies and Asian conspiracies? Not the left-wing ones.
  
  We have no post supporting capitalism. The whole server is critizing capitalism and supporting social and environnemental project.
  
  That is terrific, I'm glad that you are yourself anti-capitalist. I don't think the whole jlai.lu instance is, though, and at least one mod is apparently quite conservative.
  
  If you're talking about me, that's kind of a funny way to see it I guess, albeit pretty dumb and most likely lacking in political history for it to be your guess.
  
  The whole instance is not anti capitalistic but many of the most active users are and we have dedicated leftist and pro-tolerance communities. The instance is overtly antifascist, the few doubtful users that posted were kicked out promptly.
  The feeling is also anti-authoritarian so tankies wouldn't feel at ease, but I dont think they'd be kicked out unless blatantly promoting imperialist / authoritarian agendas.
  
  Well, i'm affraid language barriere doesn't help...and there is some part of misunderstanding and french's culture is different 😟
  When we talk about PCC or the Kremlin, we are mainly critizing imperialism. We do make a clear line between communism and imperialism.
  We also critize France, and our actions to change it is currently repressed by the police. We document it there. I don't read it, it depress me a lot and i have to care about myself.
  https://jlai.lu/c/quefaitlapolice?
  You can also check those communities :
  !gauchisse@jlai.lu
  !antitaff@jlai.lu
  You can also check @Frirish@jlai.lu posts.
  He has expressed his point of view about hexbear but that doesn't represent our opinion until proven otherwise.
  The first thing we (anyone, everyone not necessary the mod/admin team) do is talking to people (even modo, admin are included and can be demoted anytime) and pointing out what's wrong.
  That's the first thing we did. We asked for source and pointed out it's normal that you would react here.
  Then, we ask them to edit their post as a way to apologize.
  
  Non, ils mentionnent aussi un commentaire qu'OP a eu sur le conflit en Ukraine
  
  Oui, plus ou moins. Si on lit la définition de wikipédia : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
  Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies.
  On peut faire le parralèles avec les l'islamogauchisme utilisé par la droite contre la FI pour la qualifier d'extreme.
  Après, OP a apporté des précisions avec des liens.
  
  It's great you have that perspective on it individually. You individually might be totally fine. I ask you the same question though: look at the company you keep. One of your mods, a full 1/8th of your monthly userbase, just used tankie as a slur. Against a forum that's... what? Too antizionist? Too antiracist? Too anti-imperialist? Too pro-LGBT? I still don't know either of their specific ideological disagreements with Hexbear and don't care. If I were you I'd be sceptical of people who use words the right-wing uses to describe the same enemies the right-wing has. A nebulous term like tankie can be used to condemn anyone. An out-group enemy that only exists through conspiracy theories can be used to condemn anyone. Neither can be specifically defined in the same way me using "liberal" or "fascist" as an in-group enemy can be. If you feel genuinely committed to something as radical as environmentalism, you're too radical for that forum and you'll be the tankie or the sneaky Asian spy when they run out of more radical candidates. I wouldn't want to be on Hexbear if people used language like that unironically.
  
  One of your mods, a full 1/8th of your monthly userbase, just used tankie as a slur.
  How did you come to that number? Our total monthly userbase is 220 users per month for the instance.
  
  I'm just going off the number on the sidebar when I'm viewing your instance through this one. Now it's diluted by this thread and it says 55 users/month, but when I first saw the thread it was at 8/month. Lemmy can be weird about syncing with other things so it might be that: https://i.imgur.com/ODSkS0n.png .
  
  Yeah those counters are usually quite inaccurate, you always have to check on the source instance to be sure.
  
  May i convaince you otherwise about this mod ? Here is Anansi (sysop) answer to TheFirish :
  N'ayant fait part d'aucun exemple concret, je ne vois pas pourquoi on défédèrerait une instance historique.
  La seule participation active de leurs membres à l'instance (jlai.lu), est, de mémoire, dans ce thread, ce qui me semble justifié.
  Si tu ne souhaites pas voir le contenu d'Hexbear, tu peux la blacklister dans tes options de profil, comme toute autre instance, depuis une ou deux versions de lemmy.
  Having not given any concrete examples, I do not see why we would defederate from a historical instance.
  The only active participation of their members in the instance (jlai.lu) is, from memory, in this thread, which seems justified to me.
  If you don't want to see hexbear's content, you can blacklist it in your profile options, like any other instance, since one or two versions of lemmy.
  We had another post about defederating Hexbear long before, almost one year ago where TGhost, thank to her, talked to anansi and convainced him to keep the federation with hexbear.
  If you can comment here, and see our posts that's due to @anansi's decision and @TGhost's argument.
  Currently, in this thread, heated arguments, meme, trolling, wich are spreading to the whole lemmyverse aren't helping us. They are a fun thing to do but it often end up badly.
  Anyway, i hope that translation and this historical decisions/fact from jlai.lu, can give you a new perspective on jlai.lu and anansi.
  You can trust us and let us handle the situation.
  
  If you feel genuinely committed to something as radical as environmentalism, you’re too radical for that forum and you’ll be the tankie or the sneaky Asian spy when they run out of more radical candidates.
  Attention Snoopy, méfie-toi de nous, on est anti activisme environnemental 😆
  
  I'm not saying you're anti-environmentalists. Plenty of liberals are environmentalists. I'm saying that I've seen two users, including a mod, use undefinable words that have one rhetorical purpose. You use a word like "tankie" or an idea like "all my enemies are foreign spies" to set a limit on dissent. I could ask that user what the specific line between a tankie and non-tankie is, but if that answer even makes sense then it sets a firm limit on how radical someone can be. I'm an eco-Marxist, I study it as closely as I can and work practically as one, the books on my shelf are mostly about what I'd consider part of an eco-Marxist critique. I understand environmentalism as a complex intersectional war of liberation. What part of that makes me a tankie versus the acceptable position? If there's preemptive surrender to power, if some part of that intersectional struggle is unacceptable or some act or idea or theorist is too far, I don't care how many paintings you've splashed with soup today.
  
  Meh, I use tanky to differentiate between leftists and people that cosplay as leftist while excusing genocide and human rights violation whenever it's their flavor of autocrat doing it, not really as an anti-communist word since nobody uses it like that in the first place.
  it sets a firm limit on how radical someone can be
  No, it sets a limit on how much you accept your fellow comrades from being used as a stepping tool by an authoritarian regime/dictator to be able to call yourself "communist", while ending up in state capitalism anyway.
  I may concede that from my years on hexbear, I associate most participants to this kind of communism flavor by default, which may not be your case, but this thread did not really start in good faith, so why would I.
  
  people that cosplay as leftist while excusing genocide and human rights violation whenever it’s their flavor of autocrat doing it
  Democrats?
  
  The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them
  The fuck you're talking about
  the person who uses “tanky” as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks
  opens hexbear
  see a meme in the front page using the same rhetoric as Israel when it denies the palestinian genocide, to deny Uyghurs genocide by China
  Kinda selective opposition I guess.
  Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with genocide denial and defending authoritarian regimes? Not the left-wing ones.
  
  Cool, the person who uses tankie as an insult is an Adrian Zenz fan and has a Nazi frog emoji on hand for logical gotchas.
  Again you are not making a good case here. Snoopy's giving it their best, but you're setting off my
  .
  
  Nice dodge!

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