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dsmaster7173 @lemmy.world

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take something antifascist and edit it to be anticommunist, classic reddit behavior
- Tankies are not communists. They are blanquists at best.
  
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  Your comment has the "Karen is a racial slur" kind of energy.
  
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  And "liberal" is the Tankie go-to for "those we dislike."
  Just like it is for the ring-wing fascists.
  
  Well then, what do you call people stopping workers from seizing means of production while at the same time proclaiming themselves to be champions of the working class?
  
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  Damn, you call Lenin a liberal?
  
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  What you described was a liberal. People who virtue signal to garner support but do nothing for the working class.
  Yeah, Lenin: the counterrevolutionary bastard that seized the power for himself and dismantled all real worker power.
  
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- anti authoritarian*
  you're telling on yourself
  
  I know it's an older image, but it's literally edited to say "Kick ~~Nazis~~ Tankies out"
  It's such a blatant attempt to divide the left, and it explicitly does so in favor of dealing with our shared enemy.
  Who is telling on who?
  
  left unity is tankie gaslighting.
  auth socs put anarchists against the wall before the dust of revolution settles
  
  If the anarchists try to violently destroy the DotP as it is being made, yes, but then those are shitty anarchists who aren't appreciating the larger battle to be fought against imperialism.
  
  I don't want unity with tankies. We aren't fighting for the same thing.
  
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  Ok Demsoc
  
  no state has achieved the liberation of the working class, because the function of the state is to expand and perpetuate its hegemonic power and influence. state authority is fundamentally oppressive.
  
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  The State power- as a lesson of history- Cannot be wielded for good. It is a corrupting power with its own momentum and incentives.
  This is precisely why any positive accomplishments of the Leninist states were undone by corruption, bureaucracy, and power-seeking.
  Because the very structure of a state by itself makes it not only possible, but inevitable.
  
  Call the containment center, we have an anarchist on our hands.
  READ STATE AND REVOLUTION
  
  You're being a dummy, this person is literally repeating the doctrinaire Lenin line on the temporary utility of the state.
  
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  You my man are beyond saving.
  
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  What you wrote earlier was an accurate summary, they just misread (I hope).
  
  I misread indeed, sorry. I'm such an idiot!
  
  If there isn't a state, then what happens when the capitalists attack? Who's gonna organize a defense? You think everyone's just going to pick up guns and magically form an invincible anarcho-army?
  
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  What if class was to be determined by both economics (exploitation) and power (oppression), therefore in the USSR all the leninist reformists did was to exchange the wealthy upper class for the all powerful upper class. So at best Leninism is a bad reform of capitalism.
  No state can ever achieve anything more than the liberation of the capitalist class. The only liberation for the masses is to seek alternative ways to self govern and abolish any centralized power structures from reforming again.
  
  This is another reason why the rest of the left calls Tankies Red Fascists. So much behavior is shared.
  Like the arrogant mislabeling of everything they dislike as "liberals".
- tankies aren't communists lmao, stay mad
  
  uh oh you said the forbidden word, here come several of the world's most unfuckable people to tell you about how anti authoritarians are the real fascists and if you'd just spend half a year fully immersing yourself in russian state propaganda, you'd get it too.
  
  oh no they're gonna totally own me with their terminally online amount of factoids while telling me how Genocide Is Okay When We Do It, Actually
  
  magats, but make it left
  
  "anti-authoritarian" opponets of AES aren't fascists, they are useful idiots for fascists.
  
  don't care + didn't read + stay mad + L + ratio
  
  I think not reading is not really something to tout, though very on-brand for liberal "anarchists".
  
  That's a nice link you provided. Quick search shows it's from same people (Ben Norton) as Grayzone, which is described in wikipedia as such:
  The Grayzone is an American far-left news website and blog founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal. The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project, affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018. A fringe website, it is known for misleading and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes. The Grayzone has denied human rights abuses against Uyghurs, promulgated conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria and other regions, and promoted pro-Russian propaganda during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Grayzone has been described by Commentary as a propaganda shop devoted to pushing pro-Assad, pro-Maduro, pro-Putin, and pro-Hamas narratives.
  This is some truth social level shit
- Take something antifascists and edit to be ... still antifascists.

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