Technology @lemmy.world Paradox @lemdro.id 1 yr. ago

JPEG XL: How It Started, How It’s Going

cloudinary.com Rise of JPEG XL: Apple's Support and Image Compression Insights

Significance of Apple's support for JPEG XL and what this means for the widespread adoption of this next-generation image compression format.

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This is the first I've heard of the JPEG XL format, but it sounds pretty good!

Hopefully it doesn't get misused by websites to mangle lossless compressed images with so much compression they're barely visible to save a few kilobytes, though.
What is the point of this format? How is it any better than png or webp? Do we really need yet another format? I mean 44k really isn’t that great of a savings in the example used.
- A shortlist:
  
  it has the best lossy image compression (not counting extremely low bitrate images, where AVIF starts to win)
  
  it can losslessly recompress JPEGs for a free 20% space savings - no image quality loss
  
  it supports parallel decoding for extra speed
  
  it supports progressive decoding (viewing a lower quality version of the image while it loads), unlike WebP/AVIF which just "pop up" when you've downloaded the whole thing
  
  it supports lossless
  
  it compresses lossless extremely well (notably unlike AVIF and PNG which fall on their face with lossless compression)
  
  it supports animation (though AVIF is generally a better format for animation, because it's based on a proper video codec)
  
  it supports HDR
  
  it has a very strong resilience against generation loss (the classic "JPEG degradation" of resaving images)
  
  it is royalty-free
  
  it otherwise has roughly every image format feature we've ever thought of included in its spec
  
  If JXL is not the next image format then we will never ever get rid of JPEG and PNG. There has never been a more obviously superior image format in history.
  
  This might help: Image format comparison table
  
  I think you forgot a pretty crucial point, that it is also royalty free. Royalty would be a huge problem.
  
  I have yet to see a general royalty free image format as feature complete and up to date as IFF was for the Amiga back in 1985. From your list, Jpeg XL would finally even surpass that. As a very feature complete format improving on at least 3 formats (GIF PNG JPG)while wrapping them into 1. The only thing missing, is to become universally supported.
  
  I wonder how the Chrome team managed to test it so poorly they claimed it wasn't worth it? Just the versatility alone should make it a no-brainer.
  
  This is truly amazing tbh.
  
  ironic this image is in a PNG lol
  
  It's very slow on high compression profiles though, and consumes a lot of resources.
  
  Graph conveniently omits hardware support, where avif (av1) is supported across the board
- JPEG XL provides comparable image quality to ordinary JPEG compression at around 80% of the file size. It also supports lossless encoding at smaller sizes than PNG, and can handle layers, transparency and CMYK, so in principle it could conveniently replace almost every existing raster image format.
- So I agree with your sentiment for the most part. Mainly, it’s frustrating to see all of these new image standards come out which somehow compete with each other due to lack of browser support.
  
  That said 44k isn’t peanuts. That’s a huge reduction, especially on lower end connection speeds.
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- The article discusses how it's better than webp. Specifically, it's much better at both compression ratios and performance, at all quality levels. WebP has problems where the compression falls off due to being locked to yuv420
- It is when you’re a cloud hosting platform and you have 1000’s of photos uploaded daily. That 44k saving scales massively when talking about cloud hosting platforms. The jpeg xl format license is more open than webp which is controlled by google.
  
  The new format also enables more features than just file size, a quick google shows it supports animation, 360 photos, and image bursts (as well as more technical specifics that allow for better share ability without needing to have an accompanying json file or dropping to RAW).
  
  This is more important because it means websites can embed photos and the web engine whether it be chromium, Firefox, or safari can handle it natively without needing JavaScript or some other intermediary.
  
  What about png? It’s just another competing standard. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter, but by not having competing standards we end up having one company controlling it. So since at the very least it gives a decent file size saving it’s good enough for me.
  
  Even better, this must be fantastic when you're training AI models with millions of images. The compression level AND performance should be a game changer.
there's a graph in there that only has 1 axis labeled
- The compression is just that good, bro.
- Which graph is that? I only see this one, which has all axes labeled.
  
  I thought that was just the organization making the graph
I am going crazy or was this not posted a few days ago?
- I am not crazy it was posted 3 days ago with the same title. Why? https://lemm.ee/post/1629469
  
  I guess it's hardly surprising it would have the same title, considering it's the title of the article. Just a case of someone not seeing the first post before sharing it again, kind of natural.
  
  Maybe eventually users could be given a warning of the sort "This link has already been posted in this community. Are you sure you want to share it?".
  
  Repost bots are on Lemmy now
JPEG XL sound interesting. Maybe I missed it but why did Google drop support?
- The TLDR summary is that AVIF was going to be the next generation standard for image formats but when JPEG-XL released with a near identical feature-set, better quality compression, and backwards compatibility with JPEG, the tech world put its support behind JPEG-XL.
  
  Naturally, Google as one of AVIF’s creators was unhappy that the standard they control looks like it will lose the format war and so they decided to use their web monopoly to kill JPEG-XL in the cradle by killing support for it in Chrome around a few months ago.
  
  While this has slowed JPEG-XL’s momentum by a lot, even the other co-creators of AVIF like Apple, Meta, and Microsoft are still putting their support behind JPEG-XL and it seems like they would rather force JPEG-XL adoption themselves than go back to AVIF.
Wow a Weissman score of 2.89!
Pretty pointless, just use avif which is also open source and royalty free. Avif will be faster across the board with hardware support already added to all major vendors for av1
- Hardware support doesn't matter, if it's a small image why would you use your GPU to decode it?

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