Billionaire's False Narrative...
Billionaire's False Narrative...
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28140949
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You're not a realist. You are just a selfish asshole.
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How does telling you the truth about the homeless population benefit me in any way, shape, or form?
You haven't passed the bar to call me "selfish". Sure, I might be an asshole, but this isn't one of those times either. The reality is that we can't help everyone, and some people aren't saveable. You can't point to Sweden or Finland as answers either, because they have the highest per-capita drug deaths of other euro nations.
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The ol' we can't save everyone so why save anyone argument. Bold strategy cotton.
Also, since we're talking about drug deaths do you know what county has the highest IN THE WORLD?
The United States, so yeah if we can copy Finland's homework and reduce our homeless by 435k, why wouldn't we?
Oh that's right the guy on the Internet gate keeping who can call him a selfish asshole says it might not work.
P.S. Finland had 253 people die of drug overdoses in 2023 with a population of 5.5 million.
(4.6 deaths per 100,000 people)
The US had 105,000 people die of drug overdoses in 2023 with a population of 335 million.
(31.3 deaths per 100,000 people)
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The ol' we can't save everyone so why save anyone argument
It's obvious reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. You must have missed the point where I said housing should first go to people without these deficits. You know...like 6 posts ago...
You've sat there and put words in my mouth, made strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks against me...
Do you know how to debate a point at all? Because you're failing at every step of the way...
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"You can't point to Sweden or Finland as answers either, because they have the highest per-capita drug deaths of other euro nations."
Dis you? Are you the 10 second Tom from 50 first dates that just forgets shit as soon as he clicks post? Lol.
I'm quoting you and you're calling it a straw man?
You're tripping over yourself to play the victim. Just go back under the bridge you troll.
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You can't point to Sweden or Finland because the rest of Europe is doing much better - by giving people proper psychological help, committing them when needed, and jailing them otherwise.
My argument is for committing these people to asylums and getting all of America the proper psychological and medical help they need, which puts people in these positions.
My position has never been "oh we can't help them all so why even try"...that's your misconception. And it's your own fault you don't understand the argument.
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You are once again 100% incorrect. Also, the horse is already dead why are you still beating it?
The rest of Europe is NOT doing much better.
However you won't respond to facts, won't argue a point intelligently, but you'll cry wolf at being faced with data and discourse that shows you don't understand what you are talking about at the most basic level.
Once again here's some data supporting my claim (still waiting for you to produce ANYTHING to support any of your claims) that you won't read, consider, or understand:
(Find me the "rest of Europe" on any chart or article)
https://ourworldindata.org/homelessness
https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/157797/homelessness-statistics-in-the-world
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population
You have yet to counter ANY facts with anything other than your feelings, gatekeeping, or chastising and accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about.
Call me a bad debater and spin your positions until you get dizzy, it won't change the fact that you aren't operating in reality and your feelings aren't more important than actual tangible data that is EASILY obtained through a quick Google search of how this problem actually gets solved by other countries.
Asylums aren't housing, they are a form of incarceration that objectively doesn't work. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for you to grasp?
It's really simple:
Treat people how you'd like to be treated should you ever be in their situation.
It sounds like you have joined the sunshine and rainbows team saying that rehabilitation and mental health counseling is needed. Welcome, we're glad to have you!
I firmly agree, so let's chat about homelessness. Something you have more opinions on rather than a factual understanding of what causes homelessness and equally as important, what lifts people out.
If you were homeless right now, would you prefer to be locked up in an Asylum or have a chance to have a roof over your head to get a job and get back on your feet?
See how easy that is?
Stop using whataboutism to call many of them criminals (which you said), and dehumanizing them (which by the way was the original post in the article).
It's okay to be wrong, heck it's even okay to be stupid. It's NOT okay to marginalize an entire group of vulnerable citizens while they sleep on the street and you're comfortable behind your keyboard.
P.S. Your feelings and opinions are not a credible source, sorry bud.
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