Having an absolute "Enlightened" Colonizer Moment over "Peyote Gatekeeping"
Having an absolute "Enlightened" Colonizer Moment over "Peyote Gatekeeping"
https://teddit.zaggy.nl/r/Psychonaut/comments/18mth6c/peyote_is_the_darling_of_the_psychedelics/
Honestly this whole thread is a cesspool, pure psychic damage. There are literally functional alternatives, but still these self-enlightened egolords can't keep their fucking hands off an endangered plant. The prevailing attitude looks to be "Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it"
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I mean they have a point.
I'm Australian aboriginal and if we decided tomorrow its bad for anyone to have pandanas trees for themselves because culturally we used them for medicine and crafts it would be a shit show.
Plants are a renewable resource, if you farm your own power to you
Edit:
I was unaware this plant is endangered.
That being the case no one should be harming it and people should be protecting it instead.
Sure, but Peyote takes 10-30 years to grow in a very specific climate, and is endangered due to overharvesting. Growing your own is one thing, but exploiting an endangered plant and telling the groups that use it to "Grow it on their own land" is blatant colonizer behavior.
is pandanas an endangered species? the cactus is.
If whitey wants peyote, whitey should grow it on his own land, it's all stolen anyway.
Nah i didnt realise the othwr plant is endangered.
No one should be harming the plants in that case
No one should be harming the plants in that case
except for the indigenous people who have used it for over 5000 years with no problem right??
If harvesting risks the plant no they shouldn't.
Tigers were used for thousands of years by the Chinese for medicine. They're one of the most endangered species on the planet (the tiger). No one would agree that only the Chinese should be able to hunt and kill tigers now because previously it wasn't an issue.
Indigenous growers know how to harvest the plant safely. The problem comes from colonizers taking the whole plant or clumsily over harvesting and killing it
Tigers also harvest pretty poorly
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there's also like 50,000 Native Americans in the SW, and 1,300,000,000 Chinese so I think sustainability isn't an issue
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Mescaline lasts too long anyways
This isn't something I'm super knowledgeable about, but I think Peyote cactus is mostly wild, relatively rare, and black market access to it cuts into the supply available for native religious groups:
Dawn Davis, 43, an expert in peyote conservation and a member of the Shoshone-Bannock tribes of Fort Hall, Idaho, worries that decriminalization efforts will renew the kind of fascination with psychedelic experiences that moved a generation of seekers to buy peyote from black market sources in the 1960s.
Edit: apparently I'm 20 minutes late and 4 other people said the same stuff. Oh well.
I think there is more going on than just "it's ours, you shouldn't have it" though. Peyote in the US is designated legal for religious use by indigenous people as part of traditional practices only. It's also extremely slow growing and requires very careful harvesting to keep the plant alive, it's listed as an endangered species in the wild, explicitly due to over-harvesting.
Basically people using it as a recreational drug can have a very real impact on the legality and availability of the plant for indigenous people.
The people in the OP are not engaging with any of this stuff and treating it simply as culture war, with an attitude of extreme contempt and hostility to the people who they see as potentially stopping them from getting high, which I find pretty gross - regardless of whether you think it's fair to gatekeep the plant.
Ah see i didn't know it was endangered, that's an entirely different thing.
If it's endangered no one should be harvesting it if it kills it etc.
Basically people using it as a recreational drug can have a very real impact on the legality and availability of the plant for indigenous people.
they shouldn't need a legal exemption but democrats support the war on drugs i guess.