Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall
Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall
A speed camera only replaced in November is among two cut down in Cornwall.
It's insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others.
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American perspective here, who does own a bicycle and has ridden it to work and around town with my wife and had aggressive drivers either stop and threaten to murder me by running me over (threatening me in front of their infant children) and other aggressive drivers pass me in MY lane within about a foot, instead of changing lanes and giving me the lane that belongs to me…. (Both kinds of incidents happened while riding in the road, which is legal here and gives me full ownership of the lane).
But, all that being said I saw this post and thought ‘that’s cool, rage against the machine here and kick big brother’s ass. Why would I want more surveillance, especially something that’s very likely automated (and therefore untrustworthy by default)?
Lowering the speed limits, putting in speed plateaus or other methods of controlling traffic? Sure. But, I’m not big on automated surveillance state stuff.
Any differing opinions?
Speed cameras don't discriminate on who they stop, and their enforcement doesn't turn violent like it can do for human enforcement.
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does ticketing the owner of the car, via automation, really accurately cite the offender? How does the camera know it was you, without a shadow of a doubt? You’re ticketing or citing the owner of the vehicle without them being present and stopped by an officer. Red Light cameras are just as bad. There’s no guarantee that the person who is listed as the owner was the one to drive the vehicle and commit the offense.
In the UK, where this is, the registered keeper of the vehicle is sent a letter requiring they identify the driver at the time of the incident. Lying about it is a serious offence if caught. So, yes, it's as accurate as can be.
Do you want to have to defend yourself halfway across town or the state/territory/region you live in when someone steals or borrows your car without permission and speeds or runs a red light?
You'd have reported your car stolen to the police. Again, lying about this is a serious offence.
“I do not recall.”, “You prove it was me.”, “Can you even prove it was me?”, “What proof do you have that it was me?”, “How do we know that your device isn’t malfunctioning and erroneously ticketing me?”, “I wasn’t speeding, but you’re citing me without an officer having been present to witness the act in person and verify it was me driving?”, “I am not required to make your case against me for you.” “You prove that I didn’t sell the car, or that it wasn’t borrowed without my knowledge, or that I failed to report it stolen.”, “oh, sorry, I forgot to report it stolen… but, I shouldn’t be required to defend myself after being cited, you should be required to prove it was me before citing me.”
Sure, you get cited in person and then have to go to court to defend yourself. But, at least they’ve established that you were the operator of the vehicle.
I do not suggest giving the government the opportunity or power to cite the owner by default without first establishing that you were the individual who committed the offense or crime. I also don’t suggest giving the power to automated camera devices that have been shown, in certain cases with certain devices, to be fallible in how they determine someone committed the crime or offense.
How about sending them warnings from the device and only citations from an actual officer in person when caught in the act? A certain number of warnings to the offending vehicle could require the owner to then present themselves to discuss the situation before citations are given. Refusing to present oneself by a certain period could then result in sending a police officer to the registered address to the vehicle to then continue their investigation… in person.
Just build better infrastructure.
Ok, what better infrastructure do you recommend? Consider a 60mph straight road that passes through a village with shops and schools on both sides of the road, currently a 30mph speed limit through that section.
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It's one of the few cases where I say "Why do you care if you don't do it?" because the only purpose in this case is to catch people doing illegal things and in theory the license plate of drivers who don't go over the speed limit shouldn't be photographed.
They've also shown that they work in school zones where the limit is lower than anywhere else, so in my opinion they should at least be installed in all school zones.
Lol no the only purpose is increasing revenue via fines.
If it was a real safety deterrent there would be some immediate feedback like a text message, assuming you have your phone number in your driver's licence registration. Instead oblivious drivers will be going too fast in that stretch of road for weeks before getting tickets in the mail, and then they'll get a bunch of tickets.
The point is to hit them with the fine 5+ times not once.
Lol no the only purpose is increasing revenue via fines.
In the UK the police do not receive the income from the fines. The purpose is to increase safety on the roads.
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Right 3 months
Better than any source proving they don't work that you brought
It's not they don't work to decrease speeding... They do. It's that if the point was immediate deterrence there would be some feedback to the driver they just got a ticket, like the kind of immediate feedback you get when you are pulled over by a real cop.
Why? We don't even need to bother, they're proven to work pretty much as soon as they're installed!
Speed cameras aren't hidden in the UK. They are always preceded by warning signs and the cameras themselves are in big yellow boxes that are completely obvious. You'd have to be blind to miss one.
This isn't privacy issue. It's just an issue for bad drivers.
Agreed. They are also only activated when the radar has actually detected something.
Okay, so you know how it sucks to have people ignore rules and ignore you and your safety, you know how it feels to be treated like dirt by other people... and they probably do it because they do not fear any consequences for themselves and think they are in the right.
So I need to ask you: how will they ever be taught that you have rights that need to be upheld?
The same question has been asked regarding speed limits and speed cameras are one of the answers. And a pretty good one too. The article says:
The cameras in Perranarworthal were installed in March 2023 after campaigning from residents. Where the speed camera is, or was, it's used by parents taking their children to two primary schools ... it's one of the busiest crossings in Truro and there's been a number of quite bad accidents. For hundreds of people in that area, the speed cameras actually had a really positive effect on their quality of life. Parents feel safe letting their kids walk to school now.
What has happened here is just completely antisocial behaviour that is ruled by selfish thinking. This is not kicking big brother's ass. This is kicking asses of people who can not defend themselves against idiots in better ways.
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Yeah this is one of those needs other methods of speed control. Cameras and tickets can only do much.
Yeah, fuck mass surveillance. Anyone downing cameras is ok in my book