If we can ban trans medical procedures, why haven't we banned circumcision?
If we can ban trans medical procedures, why haven't we banned circumcision?
Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn't have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.
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What the heck is going on here.
I've been circumcised as a child, as far as I know it was a medical necessary. I never had any Problem with my genitals. I have never even heard about people having such strong opinions about this topic.
It was just like, that some children having tympanostomy tube and some don't. Is this such a big topic in the USA, or just in this post?
Oh boy. You're about to learn a lot.
A circumcision isn't necessary when there's nothing medically wrong with you. It's literally mutilation when it's done for religious or appearance reasons. Spoiler! These are the two most common reasons why this procedure takes place. You didn't consent.
When you're born, the foreskin is fused to the glans (penis head). A foreskin's purpose is protecting the glans and keeping it moist. A circumcised penis is scientifically proven to have reduced sensitivity because the glans are exposed all the time.
This procedure usually happens when the baby is 24 to 48 hours old. There are over ~100 deaths a year from circumcision. If an infection occurs, this can easily get out of hand and cause the loss of all or parts of the penis... on a new born baby mind you. Complications later in life may include, but not limited to: pain or discomfort with an erection, erectile dysfunction, or abnormal shape or size of an erection.
Because a new born penis is incredibly small, the slightest mistake can lead to disaster. In some cases, can mentally fuck someone up. Unfortunately, I am personally affected by a botched procedure. Too much skin was taken off and the urethral opening was torn.
It's an unnecessary procedure that can fuck up your otherwise healthy at birth child for the rest of their life. All for some religious reason or because parents "don't like it" - every male is born with it. It's there for a reason.
What. In the 24/48 Hours after Birth is really early.
Mine was done when I was, like 5 or 6. I can clearly remember being put under general anesthesia. And peeing hurt for like 3 days.
But after that? No problem ever. How can there even be a medical reason in the 24/48 Hours after Birth?
EDIT: Mine was done because my foreskin was way too tight. Damn, Now I feel really sorry for you, bro. I thought everyone get this done (if it gets done at all) at the age of 5 to 7. But doing this on a Newborn seems really weird. I wish you and your junk all the best.
When a baby is born, the doctor may ask if you'd like to have your baby circumcised. If this is the case, it happens before they leave the hospital. This is where that time frame comes in. Otherwise, circumcision is "recommended" within the first two weeks after birth.
Here is a medical reason at birth: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/hypospadias.html
Any medical condition after birth that requires a circumcision, needs to be performed by a doctor who knows exactly what they're doing. Not every doctor does. So you end up with not-so-great stories shared around.
Edit: You describe the tight foreskin you experienced which is in the second link I provided. It is a medical condition that doesn't require circumcision. In fact, you could still have your foreskin right now. The condition usually goes away over time. Believe it or not. Circumcision is an easy way out. But one that may cost. And in the case of that individual, it did.
I just asked my Mom because I got curious, and she told me she had a long consult with our Doctor and a Surgeon about this. I was also getting Infections because of the tight foreskin, and this was the best way. I trust my Parents and the German Medical Association.
Skin is an elastic organ. If you start putting on fat, your skin stretches. The foreskin can be stretched with regular motion. Retracting it on a daily basis would encourage it to stretch. Infections occur only when the foreskin isn't cleaned well. I don't know your circumstances personally. Teaching you how to keep clean and retracting the skin is a viable method. I'm not discrediting your parents. Just sharing the logic behind why circumcision is not absolutely necessary or should be the first choice. If this was the informed decision they made for you, I'm glad it was successful with no complications. That's the best possible outcome.
Even at 5 to 7 ( and to teenage years) there are stretching exercises that can be done to loosen the foreskin and completely make the surgery unnecessary (and yes there are rare cases where that doesn't help and surgery is the last resort). I would still say you didn't have consent at 5 or 6. Sorry to hear you got mutilated
I don't got mutilated😅 I just talked to my Mom and asked about this, and she had a long consult with our Doctor and a Surgeon beforehand. It was a simple decision my parents had to make because I was not able to do so. Like thousands of other things, they decided for me until it was possible to decide for myself. And I in this case I had chronic Infections so waiting was not an option. Don't get weird on me,bruh.
I have never even heard about people having such strong opinions about this topic.
You're seriously pretending that you've never heard of people having strong opinions on genital mutilation, or that you don't understanding why?
Or are you pretending that circumcision isn't genital mutilation?
Because the western medical procedure to correct phimosis is very different from having your prepuce ritually removed.
Opening up the prepuce enough for it to be able to slide over the glans and removing the whole prepuce are rather different.
But the most ridiculous thing is you pretending you're not aware of the controversy of snipping your kids genitals because of convictions/culture
Maybe because there are not many Jews (or other Religions who do this "ritualy") in Germany the only way I ever heard about this was as a medical procedure. So yes. I never even thought about this being something controversial, like I never would think that getting tympanostomy tubes are controversial. If you want to get mad at me for living in a World where this is not an issue then go on. But isn't a World where this is not issue your end goal?
I'm Finnish. We do less circumcisions than you guys, and our laws are arguably tighter.
I'm just amazed that someone would not be aware of the controversy. Have you never watched American TV? Just... how is someone unaware of this?
I'm not mad, I'm astonished.
It's like pretending that you're not aware of how big of s thing racism is in the US, that you're unaware that there's controversy about white cops shooting black people with poor excuses. Like "I've never heard of this 'black lives matter', thing, surely 'all lives matter', eh?"
I get that some people won't be exposed to everything, yeah, but we're on Lemmy, not the opening page of Microsoft Edge, so one assumes a little bit of knowledge of the world.
My bad.
Won't happen again.
Actually, I don't watch American TV. If you could show me the "no circumcision" Riots or the big civil rights court case about the Cop who circumcised this Guy he should, and I would never forget again :D Damn now I want a large Demo where People hold up dicks with foreskin and yell stuff like, "Circumcision, what a snip! Let's keep our foreskin, let it rip!"
EDIT: The "let it rip"-Part sound terrible painful maybe I need to change that
"I don't watch American TV"
Neither do I.
I also don't live in a cellar without the internet. I thought you didn't either, since you're on Lemmy.
My mistake.