New Reddit refugee here. Question on moderation
New Reddit refugee here. Question on moderation
Hi! I came here looking for an alternative to Reddit which is less of a liberal echo chamber. It looks good, even more responsive. But I wonder, how is the moderation here? Biggest problem I have with Reddit is that it is becoming increasingly impossible to have discussions about "sensitive topics". Even if you are being civil, there is a chance you will just straight out get banned for saying something which liberals do not like. How does Lemmy compare? Thanks.
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Wtf is "liberal"?
Liberal as in Libertarian(freedom liking)? Then no, this is the most liberal place and system you can find.
I wish they would be freedom liking! They seem more like the opposite to me, they want a lot of rules and strict moderation, aka "safe spaces". Which is what a big part of Reddit has become.
For example, transgenderism. Liberals will say "trans women are women". And this has become the "approved opinion" on Reddit. Going against this opinion can get you banned, even if you are being civil. That is straight out thought policing and not ok in my book.
Imagine saying a woman isn’t a woman and thinking you’re being civil.
You’ll find an instance that fits your liking though, I’m sure. Most other instances won’t be federated with it but you don’t want to live in our “liberal echo chamber” anyway.
ITT: OP discovers that his problem actually is just that his opinions are odious.
You're right, I'm totally a liberal now. You guys converted me. Thanks so much.
Yes, that would be civil. It's just an opinion. It is not attacking or name calling.
But let me ask you this: if you agree with all this, why did you come here then? Reddit would be great for you then, no?
Opinions are for things like whether pineapple belongs on pizza, not whether people deserve the right to exist or have equal rights.
That way of thinking is part of the problem. It doesn't matter how important you think those opinions are, they are still opinions.
So you truly believe whether or not someone is allowed to exist is an opinion and not a right?
What is a right? We are talking about opinions vs. facts. Yes, it is your opinion that people have the right to do or have something or not.
And if that thing is life you believe it is the personal opinion of others that is the final decider?
Are you an American?
Yeah... You're not going to have a good time with expressing those kinds of views here or through most of the Fediverse. Most of us are not willing to tolerate proto-genocidal opinions, which is what you appear to be espousing, drawn to its logical conclusion.
So you're saying that liberals can't avoid thinking in absolutes? Which means I just have to accept that discussions with them are impossible? I know there are exceptions though, you already seem to be better than most.
Believe it or not, there are more factors than political views..
If you think Lemmy by default is a safe haven for conservative bigots then you’re gonna be very disappointed.
I do not want a safe haven, I want a place where things can be discussed freely. But what is your answer to my question? Why do you or why do liberals come here if it is not about the politics?
Well you can discuss everything here - as long as you stay civil. There are not even worthless internet points to lose. But from what I've read from your comments here, you will face different opinions and you may should thinking about them and your own, too
That's fine.
I didn’t realize liberals must congregate on Reddit. I must have missed that memo.
I left Reddit for many reasons, and I don’t owe you an explanation on any of them.
Lol luckily you're not being defensive about some totally trivial thing.
Yes I’m a liberal snowflake 🥲 thank you for seeing me.
I just came here because Reddit torpedoed third-party apps.
That's because it's backed up by science dude. Go be a bigot somewhere else.
Doesn't matter, even IF that were true, it still doesn't make it "hate speech".
Would you even listen if someone linked peer reviewed research to you? Sounds like you're just looking for your own echochamber to reinforce your own belief system (which is ironically what you say you're trying to get away from)
Dude your whole way of reacting shows exactly what I hate, and want to get away from. You are not even responding to what I said, instead you start going into the trans debate itself because you want to assert your stance so much.
Yeah, you're right, I'm going to call out assholes who think trans people don't have a right to exist. Have fun being a bigot.
You don't seem to realize that this kind of behaviour only makes it worse. Every time something like this happens, I hate the whole thing a little bit more. And that goes for a lot of people, not just me. Do with that what you like.
I don't have to be accepting of your intolerance. That's on you dude. You showed up here asking questions, not the other way around.
"When people tell me I'm wrong and don't accept me for saying the existence of trans people is a problem, it only makes me hate them more!"
Bro fuck off.
Refusing to accept someone and trying to force your own opinion on them is hate no matter how "civil" you think you're being.
What is your definition of hate speech?
I don't really have a definition for that, it's a liberal term I think. I think people just have to be civil and not jerks, that's the basic rule. But if people are going to be sensitive to certain opinions and standpoints, those people are going to want to say that those standpoints are "hate speech". That is the whole problem.
So... I'm a centrist who gets crap here for believing everybody raises at least some valid points...
But fuck off with the homophobic bullshit. This ain't the place for you. LGBT rights are human rights. End of discussion.
I'll just leave this here: