Microsoft’s AI boss thinks it’s perfectly OK to steal content if it’s on the open web

Fair use once it's posted on the web? Thank you very much for the framework to pirate anything and everything.

And this is why I don't have ANY moral qualms about pirating shit: they'd do it to us in a heartbeat if there was a buck to be made.

Pirating Windows for your own personal, private use, which will never directly make you a single dollar: HIGHLY ILLEGAL

Scraping your creative works so they can make billions by selling automated processes that compete against your work: Perfectly fine and normal!

Sure bud, pirating some Microsoft Studio video games and windows ISOs right now. What? I found them on the open web!

DMCA for them, no DMCA for us.

You're always morally justified to steal from Microsoft

So if I see it on the “open web”, I’m free to use it however I please? Oh, I get thrown in jail and everything I own taken away.

If companies are people per “citizens united”, why doesn’t the same apply to them?

so we can steal Microsoft's products?

In other news: we have lawyers to protect our copyrights, you don't. Suck it.

It's okay to plagiarize books if they're in a library.

copying isn't stealing

copying is not theft

Aight, I'ma steal leaked Windows XP source code :3

He spoke carelessly, but he didn't exactly say what the author said he said. You can in fact do many things with it. Copyright doesn't care what you do if you aren't copying. That's the definition of the word.

There is a thing called usage licenses.

So its no longer intellectual property if its on the internet? The nerves on this guy...

So you could just copy and use every single helpful support article from Microsoft?

Oh shit, there aren't any

Does Netflix count as the open web? It definitely feels like so, but I'm ready for a wealth hoarder to tell me otherwise!

Just yet another proof, that the more 0's you have in your valuation, the less the laws apply to you

Apparently he thinks data is like the ducks you find in the park

I agree

Is his personal-information on the dark-web?

Is he saying that if his personal-information is on the dark-web, then it's perfectly-OK for everybody & their robot to be using it??

XOR is he saying that there are 2 kinds of law:

1 for protecting his entitlement,

the other for disallowing rights from the lives he consumes, through his beloved herd/corporation/pseudo-person?

( obviously, he's already answered the latter )

Oh hey, Microsoft support moving away from copyright!

Essentially the joke everyone made about nfts.

He's right, information wants to be free. Don't support stronger copyright just to spite people it'll benefit

I think that with respect to content that’s already on microsoft.com, the social contract of that content since the ‘90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been “freeware,” if you like, that’s been the understanding.

Yeah, that's how I've always thought of it.

Its not stolen if it is still there afterwards.

Copyright infrigment is not theft, training models is not copyright infringement either. We need a law equivalent to when an artist says "he's inpired by someone else" . That it specifically is illegal to do that without permission if you use a machine. That will force big tech to pay a pittance for it and it will instakill all the small player.

You cant steal data. violating copyright (Which ai training does not do) is not theft.

Anyone in this thread is creating derivative works and you should not be reading it without the written permission of verge.com's parent company.

So Mustafa steals from the entire world and justifies it by pointing to an abstraction that cannot be proven. It's already complete as they can admit it now and throw Billions at corrupt judges over a decade which will be too late.

These tech-god pyschopaths hate us.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Microsoft AI boss Mustafa Suleyman incorrectly believes that the moment you publish anything on the open web, it becomes “freeware” that anyone can freely copy and use.

When CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin asked him whether “AI companies have effectively stolen the world’s IP,” he said:

That certainly hasn’t kept many AI companies from claiming that training on copyrighted content is “fair use,” but most haven’t been as brazen as Suleyman when talking about it.

Speaking of brazen, he’s got a choice quote about the purpose of humanity shortly after his “fair use” remark:

Suleyman does seem to think there’s something to the robots.txt idea — that specifying which bots can’t scrape a particular website within a text file might keep people from taking its content.

Disclosure: Vox Media, The Verge’s parent company, has a technology and content deal with OpenAI.

The original article contains 351 words, the summary contains 139 words. Saved 60%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

That's funny, so do I.

Hey ChatGPT , download “The Boys” for me.

I can see a lot of comments against copyright here, but has anyone considered the implications of changes to copyright on copyleft?

I argue copyleft is demonstrably socially useful in locking things open. I do wonder if we'll end up the two being different legally....

The web isn't open because we have to pay to access it.

Perfect I will actually just start putting copyrights statements both on my site and in the source code. Ughhhh!!! But fine if you wanna go down this rabbit hole LFG bitch!!!!

So let it train on Windows source and keep your mouth shut when someone uses it to mimic Windows but better.