The Ukrainians are better trained, theyre just having problems with the fact that the Russians are using unique technology like "mines" and "planes".

Curious. They claim NATO exists as self defense against a peer enemy, yet their strategies only work against small, relatively defenseless countries!

NATO is forcing completely absurd tactics and strategies on the Ukrainians that has cost tens of thousands of lives, and this is why we need to support Ukraine even more with more NATO training and wonderweapons!

I love soviet tactics, its literally finding out countering western overcomplicated and extremely expensive wunderwaffen with the cheapest shit

super advanced jets? outfly these 9 missiles that we can replace instantly

Long distance stealth bombers? Attach rocket boosters to a plane that scares the US for decades

Its hilarious

You see, we are experts at a tactical doctrine that has been optimized to brutally crush the forces of third world nations after a decade of sanctions. I think it's silly to expect us to be ready to face a foe with as many or more bombs than us, but this doctrine has led us to victory for decades.

I am now hearing that our strategy didn't even exactly work when recently applied in Afghanistan, or back in Vietnam, and Iraq is a coin toss as well, but what's important is that we're experts in it. For example, we successfully reduced Libya to a Mad Max style country in record time, and we're working on repeating that success in Ukraine.

"My superior training assumes you punch yourself multiple times in the face."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-fight-shovels-ammo-shortage-bakhmut-prigozhin-wagner-rcna73501

There are no mines, it's all just shovels. The Ukrainian forces step on the shovels and get hit in the face. Russian shovel technology is too advanced for NATOists to overcome.

NATO tactics assume air superiority.

I keep harping on this point again and again because I really cannot get across how fucking stupid it is: YOU DO NOT ASSUME AIR SUPREMACY OVER ANOTHER NATION'S AIRSPACE, YOU FUCKING INCOMPETENT IDIOTS. YOU CANNOT PROJECT AIR POWER 500 MILES DEEP INTO A NATION WITH A COMPREHENSIVE AIR DEFENSE NETWORK, RADARS, AND SAM SITES. YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND THIS IS WHY YOU REFUSE TO DEPLOY THEM ON ACTUAL FRONTLINES.

Then again, since NATO keeps doubling-down on this idea it just means they're more likely to get fucking annihilated anytime they fight a near-peer in conventional warfare, so critical support to the failson Wunderwaffen generals I guess?

It's like those sweaty tryhards in online shooters that scream slurs and whine about how sniper rifles/grenades/whatever are "no skill" and because they didn't receive an e-honourable e-duel 1v1 with pistols (but only skilled pistols) they won by default while losing

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French aristocrat knights, c. 14th century: “how dare these English peasants shoot me with longbows!!! Where’s their chivalry!!!”

(Actual military history may vary)

"It's not fair because all of nato doctorine is based on fighting uprisings without existing state power or militaries"

I still want to know what level of brainworms would lead to them to smugly making a point, defeating that point extensively and then arriving to the conclusion that their point was absolutely correct. Its like their subconsciousness was trying to correct them mid post to no avail.

If I'm remembering right that commentor went on to give a very optimistic prognosis for the counteroffensive. Arguing that because the first line of Russian defences near Robotyne had breached: Tokmak will be captured imminently, putting the entire Russian logistical network under threat and severing the land bridge to Crimea, which will then lead to the total collapse of Russian military power in southern Ukraine. It's a nice story but one completely divorced from the actual reality of the counteroffensive.

Where’s the evidence that the Ukrainian soldiers have better training? Blind assumption that Western training is inherently superior?

I'm sorry but no amount of training on the Ukrainian side is going to make up for Russia producing 2.5 million shells a year, that's just the maths

One thing that I think doesn't get discussed that much is that military aid from NATO allies is great and all but providing tanks to Ukraine (for example) on the face of it, sounds pretty swell but unless troops are trained to operate that particular tank then they will be unable to be efficient and coordinated on the battlefield.

This varies depending on what is being provided. Obviously, for a gun, there's less of a learning curve than a missile battery or a helicopter which is of a significantly different design to what the Ukrainian military is experienced in operating in the theatre of war.

But there's a narrative that has developed in the mainstream audience in the west that you just plop down some additional tanks or what have you and it'll just *work*. But this is war, not some strategy game, and the average person doesn't seem to have any grasp of the realities on the ground.

"While you studied western tactics and equipment, I studied the mine."

Just crawl on your belly over the mines and they'll be added to your inventory

No federation, but aren't mines a war crime because they outlast the war and hurt civilians?

westoids can't into material conditions even during war

KEK

The 300 Spartans were also better trained. Still got merxied by Xerxes.

Meanwhile, I'm just here thinking "Wait, people think it's not happening quickly?"

I mean, I haven't looked at any maps in a hot minute, but each time I check, it seems Ukraine controls more territory? People get that it's a real war right? "Quick" is relative.

What's a mine? Like a mineshaft?

Who are we dunking on here? That lemming or NATO? Because the lemming is absolutely correct.