Xi as Winnie the Pooh is racist
Xi as Winnie the Pooh is racist
Xi as Winnie the Pooh is racist
Saying "This isn't racist because it is based off of a similar meme that originated in China" has big "I can't be racist when I say the N-word because I have a black friend." energy.
It's less that and more "ohh, it's fine when they say it, but when I say it, it's racist" which isn't reasonable in the first place for the n-word, but doubly so in this case since we know there's a lot of racism going around in the HK independence "movement."
Daily reminder HKs minimum wage is 1 dollar for servants and 5 dollars per hour for workers, they have the highest rent in the entire world yet some of the worst living conditions and historically have only had 49% of there parliment able to be elected, the other 51% is 8 western buisnessmen.
HK separtists advocate for the above because they are the lucky enough ones to be above the slave class and they want this relationship to continue, and for things to remain the same rather than for things to get better via intergation with china, which would give the HK working and underclass access to cheap housing via mainland China, who have 90% house ownership rate vs HKs like 17%.
Source;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_domestic_helpers_in_Hong_Kong
No, it's worse than that. It's "I can say the n-word because Black people say the n-word."
I challenged this notion with a lib the other day.
The watermelon originated in Africa. That doesn't mean that the vile caricaturised depictions of black people eating watermelons is somehow not inherently racist.
You can also look to the origin and continuing usage of the swastika, especially in Asian cultures, as another example here - you aren't going to tell me that the right-angled unicode swastika being used by westerners on the internet isn't done in service of fascism 99% of the time.
And on that matter, don't let erm-ackshually dorks tell you that the 90 degree swastika wasn't used by Nazis and isn't representative of them. One of the most famous depictions of the Nazi swastika is a right angled one:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1214749781387436032/pu/vid/450x360/o0Nxlts0lffM8lUv.mp4
"The watermelon originated in Africa. That doesn't mean that the vile caricaturised depictions of black people eating watermelons is somehow not inherently racist."
That's not what is happening here tho. You can't claim that every cartoon where a black person interacted with a watermelon is racist.
Just like here you can't claim it just cuz the character is yellow it is racist.
Pooh is used cuz dude looks like Pooh... Not cuz he's yellow. The fact that Pooh is yellow too doesn't suddenly make it racist.
It's got "Trump's mugshot will inspire POC to vote for him b/c they like criminals" energy.
for background info, the chinese government does not ban the actual associate of winnie pooh to xin unless it is used to promote racism contrary to the claim by the red fascist tankiejerkers, liberal sloganists, and the NATO-backed hong kong rioters by young students who never know about the period before the return of hong kong to chinese rule. The liberal sloganists justify the racist act on the claim that it is directed towards an oppressive dictator, but they cannot explain why they attack a 'tyrant' for their chinese ethnicity and appearance instead of their morality. For more suspicions, the winnie pooh association of Xi Ping in chinese hate crime propaganda are from people who contradict their hong kong independence slogan with return to british colonial rule and who believe that british immigrants are the only true 'hong kongers'.
These colonial worshipping kids have been kneeling so long that they've forgotten how to stand.
Their beloved 'prime minister' Churchill has quotes that wouldn't feel out of place in Hitler's collection:
โI hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religionโ
[the Pashuns] needs to โrecognise the superiority of raceโ
โI hate people with slit eyes and pigtails. I donโt like the look of them or the smell of them โ but I suppose it does no great harm to have a look at them.โ
We shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate themโฆ as civilised nations become more powerful they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of ChinaโI mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph.
The last one still rings true with the "just the government not the people" libs nowadays.
The last one is utterly jaw-dropping, not necessarily because I'm surprised Churchill said it, but how this sentiment has hardly suffered a dent in the contemporary "western" zeitgeist.
Replace a few words, trade "Aryan" for "European", "civilized" for "developed", and "barbaric" for "authoritarian"... boom, you've got a chart-topping WaPo OpEd.
After some scrathing you can also quite often hear the three previous too, maybe except the pigtails part.
also depicting Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh isn't banned in China because it personally offended him and he's like a petty tyrant king. It's because misrepresenting the government is illegal and they take that seriously. Maybe from my stupid western perspective it's going a little too far, but also China wouldn't tolerate something like a Qanon movement, or orther wild ass conspiracy theories, so at least they have that going on.
It's the same as those homophobic memes of Putin in makeup or kissing Trump, "bigotry is fine if it's used against someone I don't like"
Exactly. Sometimes people will defend it with some supposed high-minded origin, like "it's not saying being gay is wrong, it's using trump's homophobia and insecurity against him and turning it into a vulnerability that we're using to trigger him". And maybe some of the people repeating it actually believe that, but the images don't come with a paragraph explaining the nuance. They're just supposed to be an easy shot at trump, you're supposed to laugh and keep scrolling. Most people liking or sharing them aren't thinking about it any more than "haha, he's owned cause he's gay".
You can spend all day convincing yourself that your specific way of thinking about it isn't racist/homophobic, but when you share this shit online all that stuff stays in your head, and you're just spreading bigotry.
The "Xi got butthurt and banned all of Winnie the Pooh in China" thing is mind numbingly easy to disprove. Just search the phrase on literally any Chinese internet service. If they still spout that claim, they've obviously not done even one minute of research or fact checking and are so clearly just blindly regurgitating propaganda (which they also accuse people who support China of doing, funny how that works) that all of their opinions on China can be safely ignored.
You know what I did when I first heard that claim? I went straight to Baidu and searched up Winnie the Pooh, in English even, and surprise surprise it returned results like any other search engine. And this was when I was still a liberal who didn't like China.
Anti N-word Aktion.
First they ban the letter N, now they ban the letter Z, soon there will be no letters left!
It had to be done when they continued to see N's all over the place when they read while lying down.
The image that was part of one of the communities in the shit just works Lemmy is just a straight up racial caricature and somehow people still defended it...
-burguer liberals using a dumb, fat foodie as an insult
-they don't see the irony
pottery
"Yeah guys I'm totally not racist, I just think those dirty yellow ching-chongs are ugly and inferior to our superior white race and we should nuke all those subhumans to make way for more lebensraum for the white race !1!!1111!!1!111"
That sounds like something I would have found funny back when I was an idiot eleven-year-old.
Reminds me of a popular kindergarten birthday song in The Netherlands where you squint your eyes with your fingers and sing 'Hankipanki Shanghai, Hankipanki Shanghai, Hankipanki Hankipanki, Hankipanki Shanghai' to the tune of Happy Birthday To You.
It's not done anymore in most schools these days AFAIK but only since recently
Is that Rucka Ali?
it's obviously racist but also Winnie the Pooh is a loveable and adorable bear and we should draw many memes of seething pink-wojak americoids losing their shit because a generous honey bear is improving the lives of his forest friends
okay, lemmy user Colour_me_triggered
lol he's FAT and STUPID too!!!! XD ๐คฃ ๐
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Death to America
cite a real source for this "genocide", lib
The cowards who've upvoted this but have not posted come out and answer for your
Same. The color never came into the equation in my head but now I can see how it could be considered racist, yeah.
Idk I dont think it's racist because it wasn't used because Pooh is yellow he just happens to be yellow. Use piglet or Eeyore for all I care.
Dude looks like Pooh tho in the face all color aside ur spot on.
Huh, never even thought about him being yellow, I always thought the joke was he was fat and stubby (and I guess oh-so-cuddly)?
Plus it's not a good meme so much as he Streisand Effect'd the shit out of it. Like, the shiiiiit out of it...
It's not deliberate
Your point is mentioned by the meme.
(But I disagree with the meme. Saying you are not allowed to satirically compare asians with characters that happen to be yellow is a problematic statement in itself.)
Except that centuries ago the Europeans decided to start the Yellow Peril campaign to strip Asians of their humanity by calling them the 'yellow danger', which still has its effects today. Other than being a yellow bear there is nothing noteworthy comparing Xi to Winnie. Do better. Would it be okay for you to satirically compare black people with characters that 'happen to be black'?
The only problem here is you
โฆdidnโt this meme start in China? Pretty crucial context here lol.
I'm pretty sure the original context was like "Hey this picture of two presidents walking kinda reminds me of this children's book. That's cool."
And the current context is "Xi Jinping is a dirty [slur slur slur] and he's yellow"
Rap music also started in the black community but that hasn't stopped white racists from using tropes and out of context snippets from rap music to attack black people.
Not exactly, because the meaning changed from "hey look Obama and Xi loojs kinda like this silly little picture of Winnie the Pooh and Tigger" to "the Chinese people yearn for freedom from this censorship-loving yellow man sure hope Xi gets angry about my crackkker posting".
Yeah but they're not the ones who colored a Chinese man's skin yellow.
It did, as a light-hearted joke comparing Xi and Obama walking side by side with a resembling image of Tiger and Pooh. Of course, westerners then proceeded to take it and turn it into their own distortion and elaborate some story about how China is banning Winnie the Pooh and that is why painting a chinese man yellow with photoshop is a sign of resistance against a government on the other side of the globe and totally not racist.
It resembles a lot the same thing that happened with that image that floated the internet around a few years ago of Putin photoshoped as a stereotypically and comically flamboyant homosexual man, which is totally not homophobic even if the punchline is "he's gay" because you can always make it up that the image is banned somewhere and thus is a sign of resistance and contains no reactionary sentiment behind.
I wouldn't really called the original "light hearted" since Obama was compared to character named literally "Tigger".
It's strange that this concern for context only ever goes in one direction. Symbolism, like words, develop meaning through their usage.
If I were to say that I ejaculated during intercourse with your wife last night, would you take that to be an insult or would you be dying on that same context hill that the verb to ejaculate used to refer to suddenly making a statement and that intercourse used to refer to having a discussion with someone?
Probably not.
Would you say that the swastika isn't a Nazi symbol because it originated in Indo-European religious and cultural symbology?
Maybe. I can't speak for you.
The origin of something doesn't determine its usage.
So then it's also racist to compare Obama to Tig...
Never mind.
On a note outside of the racism discussion, I don't think Winnie the Pooh is yellow. He's not orange like Tigger but he's definitely not yellow like Rabbit.
Chinese here. Thanks everybody for fighting racism on my behalf. I'd just like to point out that I've never considered, or met any other Chinese person who considered, the Xinnie meme racist.
I have. Especially in the context most westerners use it. You're welcome.
And I know Indians who don't think swastikas are racist. Doesn't mean racists don't use symbols and images as a trojan horse for racism.
You dont even have to like Xi to think racism against Chinese using his face is bad. Its like respecting Ezra Miller's pronouns. It doesnt matter what you think of the person, bigotry isnt ok.
Also this post is literally defending racism with homophobia which is very big brain.
Defending racism is the battle you want to fight, really?
Stop being homophobic for once in your life
What about not coloring a white man's face leaving it white? Also racist?
Have white people, the dominant race in The West for centuries now, ever been enslaved / racially abused / seen as lesser people because of their skin? Is walking around in any way dangerous for a white person just because of their skin color? We in The West have experienced a dominant white culture through decades of racism and colonialism. White thinking is, to this day, the dominant power structure in Western countries. To say racism against white people can't happen, is indeed stupid. Individual white people can be hurt by statements made against their race. But it will never hurt the social-economic and priviliged status of the white person in current western society.
Read up on the Yellow Peril to learn why it is highly problematic to call Asians 'yellow' and why no similar campaign has ever been started to dehumanize white people.
Have white people, the dominant race in The West for centuries now, ever been enslaved / racially abused / seen as lesser people because of their skin? Is walking around in any way dangerous for a white person just because of their skin color?
Yes absolutely, enslavement obviously not on the scale of black people, but if you say that stuff never happened to white people you're ignoring a large part of the world. Racism against whites is very much a thing in Africa, Asia and probably all other non western countries
Just scrolled past this on All.
Americans should be contained be the SCP.
Sure, 90% of you guys over there are racists and have a huge racism problem but don't go apply your racist shit to everyone internationally.
I'll continue having Xi an Pooh synonymous because I'm not racist and can actually do things in life without trying to make it about ""race"".
P.S. God, where did Americans even get the idea that Asians look yellow?? Most of my family is Asian and is black. I know Asians who are paler than me (German).
It's like I'd color my face blue and someone calls me a racist, discriminating penguins.
Who's "we"? Only 40% of our users come from Anglo North America.
You think everything you disagree with comes from the US which allows you to dismiss it out of hand and never have to struggle with your preconceptions and privilege.
PS: Uh-huh. French "satire" from 1898:
honestly bold words for someone whose family were probably nazis to claim Germany is the Mr. Magoo of racism lol
It's like I'd color my face blue and someone calls me a racist, discriminating penguins.
Most of my family is Asian and is black.
Okay, so you're comfortable tap-dancing. That doesn't mean all of us are.