English-language Wikipedia editors concluded: Israel committing genocide in Gaza
English-language Wikipedia editors concluded: Israel committing genocide in Gaza
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On July 25, after a couple of months of debate, the Wikipedia entry "Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" was changed to "Gaza genocide." This was done despite the fact that the International Court of Justice in the Hague has not made an official ruling on the matter, in the wake of South Africa's petition to the court alleging that Israel is committing or facilitating genocide in Gaza.
The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.
Inb4 ‘WIKIPEDIA IS HAMAS!!’ allegations start being thrown
Wikipedia headquarters and the editor under school in Gaza?
Haven't they been doing that since wiki said adl wasn't a good source?
Next up: a full congressional investigation into Wikipedia
Conservapedia will finally reach the mainstream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forks_of_Wikipedia
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I couldn’t have made it up, WHAT THE FUCK lmao
Conservapedia, a 2006 fork of the English Wikipedia that aims to present a conservative-friendly worldview
Further evidence that conservatives are snowflake little shitbirds that cant handle reality.
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By the way this Haertz article is making false claims.
From the wikipedia talk page:
Just fyi that Haaretz just dropped some propaganda about this article claiming that since its name change it "was regularly getting 55,000 views per day," which is a demonstrably false claim.
Wikipedia is now in the interesting position of having to write an encyclopaedia article about the discussions about their original page, in which I suspect they cannot cite themselves as a source.
Unless their "talk" page is about academics resolving the name change based on acacemic concensus. It'd still be "us confirming us", but with citations and constructive resources.
Sure, but I assume there will have to be a regular Wikipedia page (or at least section) about the discussion of Wikipedia’s naming of the main article.
Its likely too early (For Wikipedia) just because the ICJ hasn't made a ruling. The genocide however is pretty plain to see and has been all year. Wikipedia has always done weird and often inconsistent things around the evidence allowed and sufficient to support statements in its articles so its not a new issue.
The ICJ ruling will take years though.
I think the most similar genocide to the Gaza genocide is the Bosnian genocide. The Srebrenica massacre took place in 1995 and the ICJ ruled in 2007.
So, the Gaza genocide might take until 2035 before it is all legally settled.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
Since it looks like a genocide and the initial findings support the case that genocide is likely being committed, it seems to border on genocide denial to call it anything else.
Edit to add: I also don't see people complaining about Wikipedia calling the Rohingya genocide a genocide, even though it is legally in the same phase as the Gaza genocide.
The ICJ ruling will take years though.
As far as genocide deniers are concerned, that's the idea.
In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.
i mean, we could also just not have started referring to it as a genocide, but uh, we jumped the gun there a little bit.
It's always interesting to me how people will latch on to certain words so aggressively and refuse to cede even minor ground if it requires changing wording.
i mean even referring to it as "likely genocide" would make it like 10x more palatable.
They relied on academics and genocide experts. It's not weird or inconsistent with reality, regardless of propaganda.
Yeah, they're inconsistent from article to article, because it depends on how many editors show up.
The more editors generally means a more consistent result/accurate result.
Yeah. One time I edited the Wikipedia article on the human pancreas to say it was just a worthless organ taking up valuable internal real estate. My edit got redacted pretty quickly.
It has never been an organ of distinction
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"This article is about the genocide accusations against Israel"
Doesn't mean the Wikipedia editors agree it is.
And I'm not saying it isn't.
But OP is not being honest.
You are not being honest. This is a news article and the Wikipedia editors voted for the name.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
Looks like they think the earth is flat too.
Good. Because it is a genocide. Fuck Zionism
You know what will fix the world? Debating semantics.
I don't think anybody is expecting Wikipedia admins and contributors to directly affect the outcome of conflict in the middle east, but deliberative discussions of how the events are documented can only be a good thing.
The site acts as much of our 'record' in the modern age - and is ideally less eager to throw out hyperbole or speculate too readily.
Arriving at that title and nomenclature needs to be seen as a reasoned approach, and not "crying wolf" so that the impartiality of the articles can be upheld - by being careful about their decision, it is a better outcome for everyone.
World News = 4,259 articles announcing that Israel is committing genocide and 1,865 articles claiming there isn't enough coverage that Israel is committing genocide.
Look. I get it. Israel be bad. But there is other stuff happening in the world that I'd like to know about. I don't need to be told the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
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Why can't we just ask mods to finally end this bot? It's not good at all.
Wikis are unsuitable for contentious topics. Wikis are there to crowdsource objective facts about the world (all it takes is one person to add any given fact, so they will relatively quickly contain lots of facts). They were not invented as a tool, and should never have started to be used as such, to determine one single truth about contentious issues.
Israel committing genocide is not a contested subject among human rights organisations.
I don't know if you've ever read through a debate on a contentious and well attended topic on Wikipedia, but they tend to differ to experts, academics, and reliable sources, as it's a Wikipedia policy (the easiest policy to appeal to in fact).
Sounds like this was more than one 'point of fact' or on lone editor at play. Perhaps we read to different things here:
The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.
Sounds like they used high quality reliable sources to define the characterisation of the events. Which is a very Wikipedia approach to take.
well, yea, Wikipedia is not a court, but the ICJ would take a decade to decide and we need awareness/action now rather than when they are all dead, so
The court issued its interim ruling on Jan. 26 with six legally binding provisions, including those ordering the Israeli army to: prevent acts that might be considered genocide in the besieged enclave; allow humanitarian aid into the strip; punish incitement to genocide; submit monthly reports; and take measures to protect Palestinians.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/un-court-has-ruled-on-gaza-genocide-case-heres-what-happens-now.html
(if the above link acts fucky, this is the official document, the legally binding recommendations are on pages 24/25:)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-gaza-provisional-ruling.html
Is Israel following at least one of these?
You should listen to the podcast "Stuff you Should Know" episode on Wikipedia called "The Big Episode on Wikipedia".
Wikipedia doesn't really quite work like you stated, and especially the huge topics like this, they tend to be more factual, detailed, accurate, and researched than even long established encyclopedias.