ISP to Supreme Court: We shouldn’t have to disconnect users accused of piracy

They’re 100% only doing this for money, but still, nice to see them in the right for once.

Internet shutoffs should require a court order. Not some emails that are "this person did a bad 🥺🥺🥺 no proof but can you please take our word for it 🥺🥺🥺🥺"

Why should ISP lose revenue enforcing laws for another corpos benefit?

If media industry was serious, they should pay for it 🫢

Absolutely the correct stance, nothing dirty about it. At this point, for better and for worse, the Internet is a basic necessity. Imagine having your water turned off because you threw water balloons at your neighbour.

I want to say as an employee of an ISP I literally dealt with users who essentially couldn't get high speed internet anymore at their address because we were the only option and their grandkids downloaded movies. This put the entire household at a grave disadvantage educationally compared to other households. It shouldn't be a thing.

How about this: courts can't order ISPs to disconnect customers.

To me, that's like ordering my driveway barricaded because I have too many traffic tickets. If I'm breaking the law, charge me with a crime or sue me. But don't block my internet access, that's just uncalled for.

I had Verizon threatened to shut down my internet. I had been receiving notices for close to a decade via email, I assumed they were all toothless. And that was true in the past

I just called the Verizon copyright office and told them that it wasn't me and I would change my Wi-Fi password 😂

It was suspiciously easy as if they really don't care and are just trying to be compliant

I got a VPN and no longer have to deal with it

Small ISPs have zero interest in enforcing piracy. They don't want to lose the customers on their highest tiers. Comcast though, they suck

The ISPs? doing something nice?? for the customers???
Shit, I must have slipped into the wrong timeline or something

Think it's because they know the people pirating are the people paying for unlimited?

It's becoming impossible to monitor. I have 5G Broadband Internet and I share a public IP address with everyone in my area. I look at https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com and it shows thousands of torrents that my neighbors have pulled downloaded.

Meanwhile, VPN providers be like "come on download stuff 😉😉😉", wouldn't that be a much easier case for them to prove willful disregard for piracy?

I’m glad I live in Australia where this doesn’t happen thanks to previous attempts by IP copyright holders (mainly US based ones) to have similar policies forced upon ISP’s here and being told by judges here that the penalties and expectations and demands made by these said IP copyright holding companies was over the top and excessive and thrown out of court…..

Fuck the dmca!

Can't wait to find out which industry benefits the SCOTUS justices more.

Abolish copyright

This is less than interesting.

ISPs don't want to cut off their income here. I'm certain they have a very good idea of how many of their customers, especially those paying for higher tier plans, are either getting constant DMCA requests, or have a persistent connection to a VPN service. They have a good idea of how much money they're making from people pirating content, so this position for them is hardly surprising.

At the same time, I'd rather they fight with the copyright trolls than me. Regardless of the reason for why they're doing it, it's a good thing to fight for.

IMO, they shouldn't be responsible for this because they're not tasked with enforcing laws. They must abide by them, and they have a legal, or at least, moral obligation to report any felonies/crimes that they're aware of (with varying degrees of obligation depending on the severity of the crime. Eg, I'm less bothered if they don't report, say, piracy, than I would be if they don't report CP/murder/violent crimes, etc).

If the LEO's want a service cut off for a good reason, then let them get a court order for it. They should not be obligated by law to enforce such laws. Any enforcement should be handled by an independent organization, and be filtered through the court system as a check/balance for the whole cabal. They shouldn't be forced to both find and enforce infractions. Reporting suspected infractions, maybe. Forwarding legal requests to customers, sure (like DMCA notices). Oblige disconnect requests from law enforcement by request (when confirmed necessary by courts in the presence of reasonable evidence), absolutely.

But having the ISPs do all that themselves with little oversight, is both a danger to their clients, to their liability, and to the public at large, mainly in the context of free speech. The ISP is just the middle man, the messenger. They don't host the content, nor should they police it, or the access you can get to it. I'm all for collaboration in the interest of enforcing the law, but putting the entire obligation on the ISP seems foolish to me.

Cyber crimes is one area of law enforcement that I don't think should be defunded. It may be that ACAB, but those doing the investigative work, away from public interaction (and possible abuse), are not the root of the problem there.

I dunno, just my opinion man.

This is capitalism 101: whatever makes the most money is what they support. It doesn't matter who is hurt (or not hurt), or what is right/wrong. As long as they can make more money than they are losing by lawsuits, they will keep doing this. If they can avoid doing anything at all and not get sued while getting paid by customers, that's even better.

Even a broken 12-hr analog clock is right twice a day

Shut down their access to computer stores and the power companies while you're at it. Only fair. No piracy without computers or power.

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So I've rented a server for years. It's in the US and it's a couple bucks a month. It's fun to play with and I use it however I want. I've had an email server, a next cloud instance, and an open VPN instance to name a few things on it. Well I decided to connect a torrent client from my home to the openvpn instance on my server to see if I could do it. It worked really well until the company I rent from forwarded the DMCA hit back to me for downloading Rick and Morty. I should've known better but I thought a nameless faceless server farm wouldn't be worth the hassle of a DMCA but I was wrong.

Here in NL the ISP's are refusing to give client info to the government due to privacy policy, giving a big "go fuck yourself" to any agency trying to convict internet pirates. A judge needs to sign for an ISP to release information on soneone, which only happens with large criminal cases like drug sales and child porn distribution. The fight to change the law so ISP's are forced to release all client info has been going on for years and years now, constantly ending in favor of privacy. ISP's are asshole companies lurking for your money, but at least they protect client privacy over here.

Critical support

Difficult to feel sorry for an organisation whose only responsibility is to generate profit for their shareholders. If their policy happens to align with normal human ethics it is a coincidence and they will not spare a moment to consider the plight of their customers when the shoe is on the other foot. Fuck them. Long live the pirates.