My brother didn't believe there were homeless children and didn't want universal healthcare because it would support fat people.
How do I just carry on as if that isn't simultaneously hilariously stupid and depressingly evil?
and if Trump being a FELON And RAPIST isn't enough to get you to overcome the Democrat bias you were raised with.. you are a sad, disgusting person. No, we cannot be friends if you support him. Kamala: I want to support the working class and help people buy homes. Trump: I will immediately punish everyone who has opposed me. The two sides are not the same. Maybe before Trump you could pretend they were. They weren't.. but the GOP kinda pretended they weren't fascist POSs. Project 2025 just fucking comes out and says it. They want to overthrow democracy.
People who say things like “you shouldn’t select your friends over politics” obviously have a basic misunderstanding. I don’t really want friends who are immoral, ignorant and can’t tell fact from fiction.
The entitlement of the average right winger really is something to behold.
I don't highly enforce my pronouns. Not because it doesn't effect me but because being labeled a troublemaker who is hard to get along with is a career limiting move... And some interactions are so limited that it's not worth creating social awkwardness to self advocate. Days where this happens a lot make me depressed, grumpy and eats into the energy I have reserved to enjoy my leisure time.
Which is why it is so frustrating that some people demand that calling me by my dead name or refer openly to my sex using pronouns I hate is completely consequenceless that even when I tell them the only reprocussion to them is that I will not like being around very much them they get angry. Like I am cheating them of being owed that I automatically enjoy their company.
They are so bloody sensitive that the consequence of me thinking they are kind of shit to be around is somehow a tyranny. I just wanna yell at them like dude.. You keep bringing attention to the physical body that represents my least favorite aspects of existing by mentioning directly in conversation because that's what words like "she", "her", "girl" and "woman" mean to you. You might as well be openly talking about my fucking genetalia because that is your only qualifier for using those words. You are reflecting the things I didn't like about about the experience of myself back at me. If I openly referenced your least favorite physical trait every time casually in conversation how much would you enjoy being around me?
i CaN hAvE A dIfFeReNt oPiNiOn, bRo! Gaawd!
(Fascism is not an opinion. It's a fucking disease.)
Of course you can have differing opinions and be friends. There are obviously scales of importance.
If you believe people with a different skin color than you should be slaves, we won't be friends.
If you believe Trans rights shouldn't exist, we won't be friends.
If you believe climate change is a world ending catastrophe and all cars should be baned we may be able to be friends because I disagree on the baning of cars.
If you think gun reform is required we will probably be friends but we will probably have different ideas of how to go about it.
Part of the issue is, what we used to think of as "politics", the discourse about what's best for society and what will lead to happy lives for all, is rarely spoken about. What we have now is "RAGE-politics", where people insert completely ridiculous non-sequitur concepts about who's at fault into the minds of malleable victims and have them frame it as an identity.
Insurrection is not a political point of view.
I have friends from all over the spectrum (both kinds). I don't care if they're assholes or arrogant, but I appreciate they're politically motivated and fight for what they believe in.
Being friends with them also helps deradicalize them. If they're a good person, why not be a ground truth to help them see what's going on?
This wasn't always the stance for the right wingers, therefore it did used to be entirely possible to disagree politically and still be friends. But the new right is openly hostile to everything and everyone, so I agree. If you support that shit then we are not friends. As a matter of fact, if you are an enemy of democracy, you are my enemy.
Strong disagree, I want to be friends with people who genuinely care and follow what they believe. That doesn't need mean they need to be right about everything. And people shouldn't be bullied for being wrong(in my, or majority opinion) if its genuine. I prefer someone with totally different beliefs to me who genuinely cares about and follows what they believe in, to someone who just accepts what's popular.
We could, but I don't want to.
My political opinion is that I'm gonna cut your dog's face off.
So where we getting lunch?
How about a genocide? Can we still be friends if I can overlook a genocide?
Also, if your political opinion includes you posting bullshit on social media, that means we can’t be friends… I have just taken to muting those that I am family with.
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Random conversations between commoners is superficial at best anyways so it just comes off as dishonest and a bit grandstandy when decrees like this get made over no physical actions ever having taken place.
I'd rather just accuse the person of never intending to make friends in the first place and ask this instead: Why not go after people who actually act on these things instead of like..
..trying to spin things as a '''lost chance at friendmaking''' against random casuals online who do nothing. - or at least get better at pretending.
It's not black and white like that. There are reasons those things are happening, and it's because of the global elite. Stop trying to fight your neighbor over a manipulated belief system and go after the people making everyone fight one another.
I grew up on a farm. A bunch of goats and sheep. Raised them and loved them. Spent my summer days hanging out with them. Goats are great at playing king of the mountain on big round hay bales.
Then I ate them. Delicious.
So, yeah, I guess you can be friends with those you're fine with oppressing.
Not defending any of your points and I agree with you on all of that is detestable. I might still have a little hope for my fellow Americans in that I would take that -providing it is genuine sentiment - to mean we can still talk about it and see where the common ground is. I don't see this as a 'friend' that we can get to hug or even hangout with, but rather suggest that the lines of communication have not complete been abandoned. Kinda like a MAGA family member, I still love them, but I hope and try to get them to wake up, even if seems impossible.
I am so sick of this kind of thinking. I am not strongly affiliated with wither party and I can not stand to be told that I stand for X if I don't support Y. I do not have faith that the democrats will fight for the things they say that they will. In particular Adam Shiff and Gavin Newsom are deep into the pockets of the interests funding their campaigns. I can dislike Trump and I can dislike Schiff.
I do not owe loyalty to candidates selected by business and party elites. I understand that project 2025 is a threat to democracy but I do not understand how the democratic party decided to put Adam Schiff on the fucking ballot if the fight is so important. If the threat is severe can you all please choose candidates that don't make my skin crawl?
I research every issue on my ballot a few weeks before the election. I choose the candidates based on their merits, their platform, and their fitness for the position. Frankly my vote for my school district supervisors matters a whole lot more and the party affiliation of the candidate should have no bearing. Their personal opinions and beliefs do matter a whole lot.
The tenor of their politics matters a lot to me. For example Katie Porter is among the best of us, kind, accurate, hard working, and well informed. Katie Porter would have my vote but I cannot bring myself to vote for Schiff. Not voting for Schiff does not make me a Nazi who hates my trans friends, it is because I honestly believe the way he conducts politics does more harm to my trans friends. Not all democratic candidates are good, some may even do more harm to the party than republicans they oppose.
Have you heard them say "friends" even in our tribal political society?
I see it more as:
"We disagree politically, but that doesn't mean we can't be friendly!"
Or:
"We disagree politically, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil!"
Everyone has strong emotions about certain topics, but that does not mean people can't talk it out over time to try and change their initial opinions on topics, especially family members or neighbors.
I get reminded of this:
How One Man Convinced 200 Ku Klux Klan Members To Give Up Their Robes [Dwane Brown | August 20, 2017]
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I'm so tired of being told, "We disagree politically, but that doesn't mean we can't be friends!" Dude, if your political opinion is that children shouldn't be fed, that the poor shouldn't be housed, that the sick shouldn't be cared for, that women shouldn't control their bodies, that Americans can't marry who they love, or that certain people shouldn't exist... Yes, that most definitely means that we can't be friends.
The word I used with someone is coherence. It all has to match up, inside and out. Being ND helps, voice timbre reveals a lot.
This.
