Why ๐คทโโ๏ธ do users ๐จโ๐ป dislike ๐ the use โ of emojis ๐ on Lemmy ๐ญ?
Ok, the title was an overuse of emojis as a joke. But seriously, I like some limited use of emojis because it helps me convey intention/emotion so that I'm less misunderstood and also adds some more feeling/fun to text content ๐
My dyslexic brain gets upset with this mid-sentence emoji usage. Takes much more time and effort to read and interpret.
I think of them like swear words. Not on-the-internet swearing, but public swearing. To use their full power, words like "fuck" need context and - more importantly - discretion and frugal usage.
Overuse of emojis is even easier and harder to look at. But when used right, they serve a purpose. Otherwise it's "Why the fuck do users fucking dislike the fucking use of emojis on fucking Lemmy?"
Because, emojis, breakup, the, flow, of, a, sentence, like, a, comma. Using too, many, makes, it, sound, like, you, are, straining, to ๐ฉ.
Huh, never understood it till now. 100% how my inner monolog read the title.
Do add to your point making all those movements while talking make you seem crazy.
it can quickly get unreadable. I mean, I'm fine having a smiley to mark-down the humour/sarcasm, or the bad news but on some social media it's like
*During ๐ ๐ the ๐ฑ ๐๏ธโ๐จ๏ธ at ๐ *
Even more straightforward stuff can still be messy, I am not saving much by writing *๐ง๐ช still has no government* (Is that Romania ? Germany ? Belgium ? ) over Belgium still has no government
I grew up with emoticons and find the colorful nature of them quite disruptive... but that might just be me shrug
Iโm sooooo with you. Emoticons 4eva! And ASCII art.
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Man, you hit the nail on the head for why emojis nag me, messages being monotone just makes it so much easier to parse.
It feels immature and cringe but that's probably only 'cause I'm โoldโ.
Same. Plus, emojis don't really add a whole lot that words cannot, and interpreting them takes away valuable time from my schedule when I'm practicing yelling at kids to get off my lawn.
And I thought it was us middle-aged (40+) and older who was the only one who still used them literally. Gotten the impression that younger generations invented non-obvious meanings that spread in trend waves, then stopped using emojis when it became too hard and social anxiety-inducing to keep track of the various interpretations of what a "slight smile" might possibly mean to the receiver. ๐
Yeah, I don't care anymore. I just use a few smile emoji, and the facepalm one, because I never found a satisfactory emoticon for it.
( อกโโ อสโ อกโ)
A single emoji at the end of a post never hurt anybody ๐คซ
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For real ๐
Word ๐
I interpret someone using that many as an idiot
Can confirm
I use emojis when I want to convey that I'm trolling.
with gen a and z humor combined with your reply you get this:
skibidi๐toilet๐ฝsigma๐ณmaleโ๏ธohioโ ๏ธMLGโ๏ธ9/11๐ผ๐ผuwu๐คญfortnite battlepass๐คmewing๐คซ among us๐ฎ
I see it as a laugh track in american sitcoms, trying to force me to feel something that isn't on the actor's performance.
One emoji is fine.
Two if you want to underline your reaction.
Three is the maximum allowed by the cringe police.
After three according to the judgement of the Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale you belong to the Facebook boomer jail. Enjoy the nationalist/racist/sexist/lame minion "memes".
When I see more than three laughing emojis a sitcom laughter is automatically playing in my head. It feels like being forced to laugh at gunpoint.
People who put the clapping emoji between every word should be taken to the guillotine.
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands ๐๐
This is my new emoji rulebook and I'm going to explain to it to others exactly like this.
I feel honored (-)/
Now I have that song stuck in my head again.
Hehe, that was the plan all along ;)
I love them but that was a bit much. ๐คจ
I love them too ๐
I love them too ๐๐ฆ
what exactly have you seen people saying when they complain? when they do it like you did in the title, it's just too busy for my eyes, I've been in Discord servers where the moderators ask people to remove most of the Emojis from their username because of how annoying it is (to them apparently. I find it a little obnoxious but not enough to care).
I basically use them as tone indicators. like
omg ๐ญ
omg ๐
omg ๐
omg ๐
omg ๐ฅต
etc.
What I find interesting is that in your examples I actually find the "omg" to be the redundant part.
๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ
ยฏ(ใ)/ยฏ
Because I'm a millennial semi-luddite who (typically) prefers emoticons.*
*Contrary to popular opinion, emoticons โ emoji. :) is an emoticon, while ๐ is an emoji. (Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. Lol.)
I have nothing to add but Cartman
(((>.<)))
by definition they should really be the same though or at least both qualifying as emoticons. emoji are more icons than emoticons are, and the translation from japanese is literally just picture letter/symbol
I never said emoticons are icons.
๐ โโ๏ธ
Excessive emojis make reading difficult. It's just as bad as posts. That. Are. Written. Like. This. My internal voice pauses for ever period, likewise, I have to interpret every inline emoji. It's mentally tiring, and while forums like this aren't formal, when I see abused emoji use, I instinctively write off a comment or post as juvenile and low quality. I'm more inclined to skip reading it entirely because of the extra effort required and my pre judgement of its contents.
Tagging an emoji to the end or light use to help convey emotions is fine and intuitive. I personally like them for quick response and like you, to add a little more context to text where the "voice" may be missed.
Because this isn't a Spot The Dog book, and we don't need little picture of all the nouns.
On their own they're ambiguous and vague; with the matching word they're completely redundant.
What good does it do to say "I had pizza [little picture of pizza] for lunch"?
I'll use the occasional :) or such as befits the tone, but pointless hieroglyphics are pointless and annoying.
What a dick ๐ก
What a dick ๐คค
Completely different meanings
๐
Devil's advocate. Helps ESL speakers and dyslexics. Probably bad for tts scream readers though.
One thing I really hate is when people use that clap emoji between every word to try to solidify what they're saying.
Doing that, or saying "full stop", etc. doesn't make me trust what you're saying more. Explain why what you're saying is correct. Use words, logic, and sources.
use that clap emoji
If people are clapping between words like pre-schoolers singing about Bingo the dog, it's not accidental. It's a last resort to prevent our phones auto-correcting everything to the phrase "you dumb motherfucker".
I agree, though -- 'full stop' is just jargon and useless like 'literally'.
I like emojis ๐ฌ
I see emojis as text's substitute for body language. Body language is supposed to supplement the spoken word. Emojis should supplement the paragraph.
Trying to communicate with more emojis than text is akin to trying to communicate with more body language than spoken word.
Ever try to say something but forget the word, and you try to convey the meaning with body language instead? Overuse of emojis implies a similar lapse of thought.
๐
You're right, excess emoji usage is very Italian
Same as emoticons did, now with Unicode Consortium approval! ๐
You just described the way I dance.
I've always found it annoying, can't speak for the rest of the Fediverse.
Same, i have a hard time taking anything serious with an emoji and don't think it adds anything
I said this elsewhere above, but I think they definitely can add something, it often is tone, which doesn't appear in text.
Yeah but those jeans ๐ณ
Yeah but those jeans ๐
Yeah but those jeans ๐
Yeah but those jeans ๐คฎ
Same line, 4 meanings, I'm sure you can do more, but it can let someone know you are joking if you laugh, instead of having to put /s or such
Emojis to me are like a strongly flavored seasoning. It's only appropriate in specific contexts, and even in those contexts, just a pinch goes a long way. Too much and it can detract from the experience.
Emojipasta is grossly overseasoned food. But that's the point, obviously. It's the emoji version of those white women on Tiktok who throw three pounds of ground beef wrapped around an entire block of cheese in a baking sheet full of milk and bake it in the oven for rage clicks.
Me, personally, I usually don't need emoji seasoning. I'm fine with it plain. Besides, most emojis to me have all the class of drowning your entire meal in ranch dressing. There are a very small handful of exceptions. But that's just my lame opinion.
And of the ones I do find theoretically useful, I'm always hesitant to use them, because emoji rendering is platform specific. They're not quite like text, where the glyphs are entirely utilitarian and typeface it's written in conveys little to no information. But with emojis, the subleties pile up. A thinking emoji rendered on a Windows PC isn't quite the same as a thinking emoji on an iPhone, or various kinds of Android phones. Unless I'm on a platform like Twitter or Discord that forces all clients to use a single emoji set, I can never confidently send a precise emotion with an emoji.
Platforms like Discord that let you create your own emojis instead of using the comparatively sterile, corporate-approved, general purpose set provided in standard Unicode is another story. I like those and use them extensively. If Lemmy natively supported a Discord-esque system where instances or communities could define custom emojis that didn't rely on custom clients, plugins, or instance-specific rendering hacks, I'd use them all the time. Though this would, I presume, be to the extreme chagrin of many.
"Why! Do users! Dislike! The use! Of emojis! On Lemmy!?"
Overused, they're just so tiring too read. I think, if you're gonna go that hard, just full send hieroglyphics and drop the text aspect.
Yeah but
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Imagine if every language in the world used the exact same alphabet, exact same words with the exact same spelling, and exact same sentences but the meaning of those words/sentences varied from person to person, region to region, in different contexts, and sometimes changed day to day. Then on top of that, the words even rendered differently from device to device.
Additionally, there was no way to look up what those words meant to the person writing them, who you don't even know. Even if you ask for clarification, there's less than 50% chance they'll respond at all, let alone provide a sincere, meaningful, and accurate answer.
That's what emojis are like to me. Sure, some of these same complaints apply to text-based communication as well, but emojis take it to the extreme.
I don't typically care that much if people use them -- for instance, to reinforce the meaning or intention of their message. But it's mildly annoying when the emojis are a message all of their own and that person is trying to communicate with me.
Additionally, there's an extremely high degree of correlation between people and messages that use a bunch of emojis and actual quality of the message/meaning being sent. In other words, if someone's using a lot of emojis to communicate, I can pretty much completely disregard anything they have to say because it almost certainly holds no value to me. And that's okay.
So maybe in a broader sense, comments/titles/descriptions with lots and lots of emojis is annoying similar to seeing advertisements at the top of my search results and interspersed in the front page posts. It's useless drivel that mucks up the experience.
And even to use your description as an example:
I don't understand at all how that emoji is necessary or even insightful. It seems completely contradictory to the "But seriously" at the start of the sentence, it doesn't seem like anybody with any degree of reading comprehension would mistake what you're saying as being something negative/nasty/mean/hurtful/etc so it's like if I ended my sentence with "and I'm currently chewing gum". Okay, nice to know I guess, but why would I need to be told that?
well yeah if the person writes ๐ช๐๐คฅ it's not clear what they mean, but this poster gave an example sentence that's pretty unambiguous, and is using the emoji as a tool to make it even more unambiguous, are they not? ๐ค
Just feels unfair to lump ๐จ๐ฃ๐จ๐คณ style emoji usage with "let me put ๐ to make it more clear this is a joke" ๐ฅบ (also sometimes it's just what the writer is feeling, rather than trying to be clear communication)
there was no way to look up what those words meant to the person writing them
Your title is why.
Using them like the title here, I hate them too. You only need a few, and they should be conveying the same emotion that the text is being written as. ๐ฎโ๐จ
They can be pretty good at expressing sarcasm. Especially the eye roll one.
"Yeah. Because that looks good. ๐"
the irony
They're great! Obviously they can be annoying when overused (unless as a joke), but I would never want to go back to a world without emojis. ๐
Because being a contrarian is the height of personality for a lot of people here.
Overuse of emojis can also really be annoying for people using screen readers. They clapping hands get clapping hand to clapping hands hear clapping hands something clapping hands like clapping hands this. So it's also an accessibility issue.
That seems like a limitation of the screen reader than anything else. It needs to either translate those more succinctly or just ignore them.
How would you tackle that? Unless you build a really intelligent system that's allowed to interpret and reword and understand the significance (or lack thereof) of emojis in context, it sounds tough. Like, generally speaking, you just wouldn't be able to tell how important an emoji is to the message, when writing an algorithm.
Emojis make reading slower because you'll pay attention to both emojis and text , and try to understand it
Made me go and check, but surprisingly lemmy doesn't have an emojipasta community
I would have thought that one would have made the jump
I think it might just be the old creeping in. Kids like emojis, and they weren't around when we were kids, so it is new and strange so I don't like it, etc.
I like them used sparingly. There's art to using just the right emoji in the right spot that conveys a message in a way that is difficult to achieve with text.
I don't mind them when used appropriately, but remember that us old people may struggle to make out which emoji we're looking at when the text is small.
To my eyes it also looks out of place in professional writing, so I would find it hard to take you seriously if you use emojis in such a context.
TL;DR: in a casual context, go nuts, but avoid for important communication where clarity and professionalism matters.
Lemmy has a lot of grumpy old folks who fear change so it just comes with the territory.
Odd because why would such people switch to a new platform?
Because they didnโt like the direction Reddit was heading I guess? But I donโt know the full answer. Iโve just noticed that Lemmy seems to skew older than I would have expected.
Maybe itโs just reflecting the demographics of the tech-savvy open source enthusiasts that might be interested in such a project? Are there young people with such interests still? And if so where are they?
Iโm also old, just not as grumpy as some, so I donโt really know what the young people are up to nowadays. Most I know in person seem to be on TikTok and instagram but thatโs not the tech crowd, if theyโre out there somewhere.
I grew up with forums where emoticons were substituted with smiley images (on badly coded ones, "8)" turned into "๐" even when it was just a parenthetical ending with the number 8 or the eighth point in a bullet point list). I use emoji approximately when I would have used those smileys, it is a good thing they're now standardized, but other than that I find them unnecessary and distracting.
I dislike emojis in general.
Their intentionally bland, unpleasant to look at, and it makes you look like you just got on to the internet for the first time in your life.
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You only speak one language in a sentence right? How often do you switch between languages in a single sentence?
Emoji are pictograms the same as east Asian languages are pictograms.
East Asian languages aren't pictograms. Most use phonetic alphabets. Among those that don't, very few characters use visual resemblance to convey meaning, and no language uses primarily pictographical characters.
You know many words in any language, are borrowed from other languages right? You just used a Japanese word when you said emoji.
While true that the term originates from Japanese, it's important to note that emoji is a loanword that has been adapted into english by changing its pronunciation subtly, and replacing its spelling with a phonetically similar one in an alphabet not used in Japanese.
This is similar to when words and phrases are used without much adaptation in the middle of sentences that are otherwise in a different language. There's a certain je ne sais quoi about English and how it mixes loanwords (such as "calque"), calques (such as "loanword", where individual parts of the word are translated then recombined) and entire unchanged terms (such as "je ne sais quoi") freely, and to varying degrees depending on where you are and who you talk to.
It's a loan word, it's still English
I think using one here and there is fine. It's only annoying if there's more than one or if the comment is nothing but an emoji.
I haven't specifically seen anyone go off the rails when it comes to emoji usage on Lemmy; I can only comment on my particular feelings about emoji: Like any tool, emoji can be used in ways which are confusing. However, the value of these little images conveying additional context to written text is useful. There is so much of the personal voice which is lost with written words, unadorned with body language, tone of voice, and facial expressions. Emoji are like a written solution to this issue (for those that don't pick up on context on words alone). I am fine with the usage of emoji.
I predate emojis by a bit, they never really caught on with me.
I do them anyways ignore the downvotes live your true self โโถ๐
Because CoOl KiDs DonT UsE eMoTIcOns
I thought they didn't look at explosions!
It definitely depends on the instance, but as a whole itโs probably a bit of carryover culture from the other place where emoji are not generally accepted.
Using one or two occasionally to convey emotion or humor is one thing, but they're neither words not punctuation marks. Using them as such is not just annoying, but actively disrupts the rhythm of the words you're reading - especially if they're plunked into the middle of a sentence or clause. It's like saying "I love HEART cheeseburgers." Go ahead, say it that way to somebody in person and see how they react.
To be fair, i dislike them everywhere
Even from the before times
Because some people are afraid to have emotion
We can tell you probably have an emotion if you use one, we just can't be sure what emotion. The emoji you type is almost certainly not the one we see.
I'm sorry if they're a emojoomer and hate progress
It's funny because I love them to death on slack. I think I prefer emojis as reactions rather than inline text. Also if you put them in line it can f*** up search
If you can find mine it was hilarious when I did a similar thing XD
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