Tuesday 9/10 Presidential Debate Megathread!
Tuesday 9/10 Presidential Debate Megathread!
Was tempted to call this "Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo" but a) A lot of Lemmy won't get the OG reference. and 2) "Boogaloo" has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.
Also, while it's Trump's 2nd debate of the season, it's Harris's first...
It's being run by ABC News at 9 PM Eastern time, 6 PM Pacific, I see MSNBC starts their coverage TWO HOURS EARLY. That's a lot of air time to fill, guys. Good luck!
Live updates, how and when to watch, debate rules, etc. here:
Link to the first debate thread here:
https://lemmy.world/post/16973660
That't it! Thanks for hanging with it everbody!
In the post debate interview, Tim Walz just referenced Trump as an old man yelling at clouds. I love it.
So here are my thoughts:
- First, the obvious: Harris won handily. She was in her element, and just thoroughly excoriated Trump at every turn, while maintaining an optimistic tone.
- But at the same time, Trump is probably not losing any of his base over his abysmal performance. Most of them probably didn't watch, and the few that did probably tuned out in favor of reading conservative bloggers' desperate spinning about halfway through.
- The real question is how off-putting he's been for undecideds. He was pretty bad, but I'm aware enough of my own biases to wonder exactly how bad his behavior looks to undecideds.
- On the issues, Harris didn't really have a stumble. I was pleasantly surprised by how well she handled the issue of Israel/Palestine, for example.
- The moderators get a B for following up questions, a C- for mic handling, and an A- for calling it out when Trump's bizarre, rambling bullshit failed to even vaguely resemble an answer.
All in all, I didn't hate this (other than the sound of Trump's face hole).
From where I was sitting, it seemed like Harris beat the ever-loving-shit out him. He took every piece of bait she laid out. I'm not the target though, so I hope undecideds saw what I saw.
The take aways, there are illegals getting sent to jail for trans surgery that are then sent out to eat cats and abort born children near the Keystone Pipeline so that billions and millions and trillions of illegals can enter everyday.
Honestly, this comment is a bit crazy and stupid, but then I remember what I just watched and heard.
Outsider view from across the pond:
It appears from the outset that the Trump camp is tripping over it's own feet and stepping on landmine after landmine. Literally all Harris seems to have to do is stay on message, bat off anything too controversial, and let the opposition's trousers fall down by themselves.
It'll be interesting either way. The only real surprise to me will be whether I'll learn about key moments from news outlets or from mad memez first.
There won't be another debate, lol.
In case anyone has forgotten re Afghanistan:
Trump admitted that it was his own doing:
speaking at a rally on 26 June [2021, he] even stated that he “started the process” and claimed Biden “couldn’t stop it” if he “wanted to”.
The articles leading up to this were great. The punditry about how Harris couldn't afford one little gaffe or she's sunk.
No one seemed to remember her from senate hearings. No one remembered that she was a fucking prosecutor. She made a career out of manipulating people into self-incrimination. Her livelihood was arguing people into corners they couldn't escape. Exposing lies was her bread and butter. And she had to do so in a way that made it crystal clear to a dozen randos who were too dumb to get out of jury duty.
And Trump is a stupid, vain, easily manipulated hothead who lies about everything.
And the audience was American voters.
This is familiar territory for Harris. She knows this place like the inside of her eyelids.
Six years later, he still doesn't have the healthcare plan he promised in two weeks.
Whoops, he's debating Biden again.
Here's what I expect:
For Harris to "win": She needs to be able to go toe to toe with Trump. Any stuttering, nervousness, or uneasiness will be preyed upon, both immediately by Trump and afterwards in soundbytes and attack ads. She cannot have a "......we finally beat medicaid!" moment. She needs to show that she can stand up to him and give it as good as she can get it in real time. She is definitely at a bigger risk here. Trump will gaffe every 30 seconds and nobody will bat an eye. One gaffe by Harris could cost her the election. Trump will be spouting his firehose of lies while Harris won't be able to fact-check 1% in real time. Harris needs to be pretty much perfect from start to finish. Any mistakes can and will be exploited.
For Trump to "win": Expectations are really low here. He's not trying to reach new voters. He opely says he doesn't care about policy. He is doubling down on the racism and misogyny of his base. All he needs to do is control the narrative. Ignore the rules, talk louder, interrupt mid-sentence. It doesn't matter what gibberish he vomits out of his mouth. None of it will cause him to lose a vote. All he needs to do is dictate the narrative and pace of the debate. He solidifies his position among his base as the mysoginist who will put women back where they belong, and gives undecided voters doubt about whether she will be able to handle the pressure. I think as long as Trump forces everybody to play his games by his rules as he usually does, it'll be a "victory" for him. Or at the very least a tie. As long as he can portray himself as the strongman going forward, he's really got nothing to lose.
Ho ho ho. Going after his fragile ego by saying foreign leaders laughing at him.
He's going to go of the rails.
In other words, I’ll just give Ukraine to Putin.
"so basically you still do not have a plan" 💀
Boom! Calling out the fact that flattery and favors work on Trump!
I wish they just had 45min clocks, and whenever their microphone are hot, their timer goes down. It would be hilarious to see Trump yelling inaudibly for the last 25min of all debates.
Old racist man yells at clouds.
Kamala is his worst nightmare.
A woman like Hilary. A brown person like Obama. And making a mockery of his entitled ass like Obama.
Just need to trigger some rage so she can scare him like Biden did.
She just actually debated him.
Amazing, given the format, that it's allowed.
"We are going to have the best economy, she is Joe Biden and we had the highest inflation we've ever seen" - Trump
"Let's compare your economic plan with mine, we're giving tax breaks to small business."
Also, going back to the previous point that Trump lied about several times, Harris nailing the rebuff of Trump's lies that usually just go unchecked on painting Harris as a person that wants to steal guns. Very good.
Also also, Trump's entire closing statement stated one positive thing he did (we rebuilt our military) and the rest of the time was saying why Harris was bad. Harris positioned herself well here.
You can tell he's so hurt by her saying 81 million people fired him and world leaders are laughing at him
Trump is foaming at the mouth. He's a cornered rat. He's not winning any moderates over with this weak display.
Also, the moderators keep letting him talk and cutting off Harris. I say let him cook himself.
PREACH IT SISTAH!!
This fucker sold out the Afghan government and got soldiers killed because he's incompetent.
"Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people." Boom.
She is walking all over his balls in her high heels giggling her motherfucking ass off.
Does he enjoy it? Some people are saying it, many people in fact agree with me.
Moments after the presidential debate ended tonight, the Harris campaign called for a second debate, CNN reports.
He keeps talking about "he needs to get in here and sign a bill, he signs a bill the border will be closed". (After going completely non-sequitir about January 6th).
Holy shit. He dead ass thinks he's still debating Biden. Haaaaaaaaaaa
He doesn't even know. He doesn't even know that she is absolutely controlling this. He doesn't even know she's triggering every damn thing he says. This is almost sad.
I can't stop smiling.
Please please explain tariffs to this man!
When I heard Kamala Harris had been speaking to Hillary Clinton, I cringed, because Clinton lost. However, it sounds like what she was looking for from Clinton was what to expect from Trump, which is reasonable to ask Clinton about.
lol “He’s having a hard time processing that”
He said no one died on January 6th except for Babbit. Guess he's anti police.
Oh, he's pissed now... and she's leading him around by the nose.
My god Trump is utterly deranged. There are millions of people that are still going to vote for him. If he actually wins, we deserve what's coming for allowing ourselves to be so bloody stupefied. It's unreal. Kamala carried herself like a leader.
Morning after thoughts:
- The memes from this one are already amazing. "Concepts of a plan" is going to haunt Trump until his dying day.
- Trump usually dominates any conversation he's in, simply by being the loudest one there. It often works for him. Last night, it worked against him, because he was loud about what Harris wanted him to be loud about.
- In retrospect, the level of optimism Harris was able to maintain throughout was very impressive. She looked happy to be there, even when confronted by Trump's obvious mental illness, and I don't think she was faking it.
I'm starting to have genuine hope for November.
Okay. Fuck abc for unmuting him whenever he talks but holy shit the female moderator is doing her job. Fact checking and follow up questions.
“They can manipulate you with flattery and favors.” That’s an intelligence assessment IIRC.
How long before someone uploads a game called Spheres of Terra to Steam?
Holy shit. Kamala is killing it. She’s inspiring at this point.
"this is why we need a president who is not consistently weak and wrong" 😆
They're letting Trump get away with murder here. I expected nothing but am still disappointed. He's basically running with a hot mic while Kamala has to wait for her turn. Unbelievable.
Unsurprisingly he's also bulldozing the hosts in typical fashion. They at least seem to occasionally try some pushback against him, but they seem woefully incapable of actually controlling him.
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION DIRECTLY BRUV
Aww. Grumpy trumpy just wants putin to be happier.
And Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris.
Nice, she answered for Trump.
How can anyone vote for this guy? He's a glorified nut and liar.
Oh no. He’s gone full nutjob…
No credible reports of animals being hurt. Boom.
He doesn't know fuck about shit. Lol
Well that was just sad to watch. The take away, Trump has concepts.
Sweet lord The Daily Show writing room must be absolutely overjoyed they have so much Trump material.
Still thinks he's debating Biden.
Trump was fired by 81 million people. Whoa lmao.
Easy question, who should win. He can't answer.
That "commander in chief" statement from Harris gave me a patriotism boner.
I did the thumbs down at the screen and then she called it back.
Love Kamala so much. I miss McCain too.
Yeah, fuck private insurance. Pay for the privilege of paying for medical care.
Oof. He just ranted about whether or not Harris is black again.
Orban -> pipelines -> Orban. Wtf?
"I fired them all! They haven't fired anyone!"
He's still living on a TV show
Kamala cracking up at Trump ranting about eating the dogs. LMFAO
Trump faceplanted on abortion. Now we're on to immigration!
Loved the two solid minutes of dick stomping about 3/4 of the way through, where kamala pointed out trump’s faults as a human being under the guise of criticism of modern political structures
"GIGGLE TALK ABOUT EXTREME!" Ohhhh there's a soundbyte. That laugh gonna live rent free in Trumps head till the day he dies
Such a shame that kid missed.
There is no mute button apparently
Night everyone. :)
Thanks for hosting, @jordanlund!
Trump and his handlers just before the debate:
Handler: Mr President... (he insists on being called that by his people) - before you go out there I want you to promise again that you won't bring up the thing about people eating cats and dogs...
Trump: yeah, fine
Handler: Remember how we talked about this? And how you promised that you won't bring it up no matter what happens?
Trump: Yeah, fine, whatever.Oh for the love of God, stop letting this guy ramble.
Normal energy plants are normal
Oh. Wow. Worst vice president in us history.
trump hates Kamala more than pence
Woo. He CAN hear Kamala laughing her ass off
Not happy that the cop laughed that hard at being accused of supporting defunding the police but the bar is low.
He keeps repeating she has done nothing at the border but failed to answer the direct question about why he killed the border bill?
He keeps saying shit like "Our country has gone to hell."
Holy shit. The hit on his rallies was fantastic.
Would he veto? I guess we'll never know
He’s been a leader on the fertilization everyone 😂😂😂
Oh shit he's running with it! The eating cats!
Trump just accidentally admitted he thinks there is "some good" in Project 2025.
Trump's Ukraine solution: "...make others pay for it."
And going for the truth of him being weak.
Ah! The phantom plan that the Democrats, who weren't in power at all, stopped it!
She needs to stay on target.
He brings up the border?
She brings up the fact that he killed the strongest border bill the US has ever had because "it would make Biden look good."
He brings up the cost of things?
His tariffs will raise prices by at least 10% across the board.
He brings up she's soft on crime.
She can bring up that he literally is crime incarnate.
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-bingo-card-trump-harris
Refreshing that page re-generates the bingo grid....
Here comes that dictator fetish.
It seems we know the answer to ‘will it be happy trump or angry trump?’ Angry. Very angry.
She's definitely going to get the chance to question if Trump knows what a tariff is.
Here comes some Putin felatio.
Weak and wrong. Big oof. Kamala sure knows what words to use here.
Jump scare
Trump’s Wharton professor repeatedly called him ‘the dumbest goddamn student I ever had’.
Trump is clearly starting to get rattled. He's going off the rails.
Harris is winning this. She's legitimately stomping all over him. I think Trump is starting to get rattled.
Ohhh, just called her a Marxist! LOL!
Infanticide. He just can’t get off that lie.
Oh shit. Kamala going for a straight up low blow by talking about trump's low attendance .
Countdown to the n-word
She needs to call him weird.
Holy fuck the moderator fact checked trump on late stage abortion
Is that the first time a us president has talked about a two state solution in .. like decades?
Harris needs to stage whisper “small hands, tiny baby hands” while her mic is muted.
Oh damn. Asking about her being black
“You have no plan.”
Trump: random victim card playing
And the moderator having another Billy Madison moment.
I'm generally watching this to see if there's a performance that will genuinely move the polls, but I just don't know. I tend to believe there are very, very few undecided voters, so I'm not sure anything could be said here that's going to swing those voters. At this point it's about not losing support and motivating your supporters.
In that regard, I think Harris is doing well, and I don't think Trump has to do very well. His supporters just want him to communicate anger and hate. He has seemed able to barely trip over that very low bar.
His rebuttals are pretty much DARVO. You can also tell he's getting fired up and tripping up.
Back to the non-sequitur of pipelines. Dude has a unhealthy fascination about hard pipes flowing sticky liquid.
“Terrah”?
Haven’t heard that one before
No u! Toddler level rebuttal.
Well just another deranged non answer.
That gonna be great late shows comming 🤩
"We have so many facts and statistics"
Has failed to mention any facts or statistics throughout this debate
She’s right, the laughing is on video.
Here come the insults. He's cooked. He knows he's cooked.
He can't admit any fault or admit remorse! He's incapable of it! I'm both amazed and repulsed by this, lmao.
He's rambling and incoherent again. But very angry about it.
"we don't have in a candidate to my right ability not to be confused about facts" 😂
He wasn't going to shake her hand, lol.
Fact checking mods is nice to see
Oh, the size of rallies is really rattling him!
She is using those prosecutatorial superpowers to mind fuck him lmao
Honestly that was a word salad by both of them but Trump is just off the rails with insanity.
Also, has this fucker ever been in the desert? I live here, there ain't shit there and is take solar over some stupid ass crops that don't grow there.
Ooh, this one's an L for Donald
Ooh, hit a nerve with rallies. Nicely played.
I was in class when the debate happened, and too much Trump is exhausting - I'm watching the Daily Show recap right now. Something I've noticed is that somebody actually did Trump's makeup correctly for the debate, he didn't look like an Oompa Loompa for once.
Oh, he brought up the Supreme Court stopping the student loan forgiveness, lol. Who made the Supreme Court super conservative?
She is stomping his ass.
All great points! How about when he gave a US military base to Putin for his birthday? Remember that one?
"Quiet please" 🤣
Harris looked poised, prepared, and presidential. Trump pulled his usual bullshit, but got called on it. He also had multiple moments where he clearly lost the script.
Yes, she baited him, but he took the bait every time and made himself look like an ass.
Kamala belongs in prison. Because she just murdered Trump! 🤣🤣🤣
“I agree we need Walz, that’s why he’s my VP; not some couch fucker.”
Kamala…. Next time he brings up the border, pleeeease let your response be hey maybe actually answer the earlier question asked on why YOU killed a bipartisan bill?
Will he ever shut up about the border? This guy is so painful to listen to
What a pleasant shift in mood here from the last debate. The general outlook here was grim after last time, but it's actually positive now.
Holy cow. I wish I had me some popcorn.
"Sarcastically"
Ooh. Tariffs right of the bat. Here we go.
Funny that he says debunked but lists only a single source that lost a 3/4 of a billion dollars for lying.
Seriously shut him the f up
Ah yes, we’ll have future plans. And infrastructure week!!
Quiet please?!
I just hope they both have a lot of fun!
Harris sounds nervous and needs water. She's hiding it pretty well, but she also gets that kind of pursed, constricted voice when she's nervous. I hope she smooths and gets comfortable. She seems much more prepared but much more automated than Trump. She can't sound like she's on the stump. She's got to take some swings that don't sound like a recording.
DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER, MASS HYSTERIA!
She hit him on the killing the immigration bill and brought up crowd sizes. Trump’s brain can’t handle it.
He's cooked.
Nobody can write books without me. What?
Get him, Kamala!
He still can’t get over not running against Biden anymore.
Ugh the mod asks a good question and he pivots to crowd size
Sounding awfully weird right now, Donald.
I can't wait for them to discuss how they're going to fix the housing crisis, give us universal healthcare, and raise the minimum wage...
Trump trying to outflank Kamala on supporting "the Arabs" and being too stupid and hateful to say anything coherent
Spheres of terror.
‘Most divisive’ because of you, you TWAT.
Yes, yes, yes. Calling him out for his weakness, hiw he is easily manipulated.
Here we go!
Trump steaks for lunch in Moscow.
"no judge looked at it. They said we didn't have standing"
Holy shit this is going to be fun drinking rather than depressed drinking.
I want Trump to attempt to say aspirations.
Yes, rein him back in. (Or try anyhow)
Carrier says what?
