5mo ago

Mbin instances

Quick question, I’m looking to make an Mbin account and just wanted to ask if there is any lemmy.ml type of situation to be aware of.

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When I created the Mbin fork, I got a lot of hate without any reason. The reason the fork was created was simply because the kbin development was stopping their development. And the project was a bit trapped by a single maintainer. Hence also the reason I introduced C4 spec: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/blob/main/C4.md.
Since C4 spec is in place, I'm not the only maintainer. Multiple people have full rights of the project. But I'm also tired about all the sh*ttalk about us.
If you have any follow-up questions to me personally (I can only speak on my own behalf). Just post them below my comment.
- It seems there are always people on the internet who spread negativity about those who actually create things. Best you can do is ignore them.
  
  Apparently so. And I don't even get paid to do development. I also have a full-time job at the same time. So Mbin development takes a lot time and effort. And people don't see that.
- I got a lot of hate without any reason.
  I never really got it either, thank you for your work!

There's a list on the Mbin's website, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned yet
https://joinmbin.org/servers
I can recommend these instances:
fedia.io (It's the biggest one, so it would be better to avoid for the decentralization)
kbin.earth
thebrainbit.org
The later two are run by mbin devs so they should be pretty good
Additionaly there's !AskMbin@fedia.io magazine, so you can ask questions there instead.
- Somebody needed to share it 🤭
  
  Alternatively, setup your own instance is my best advice. If you have some technical skills to setup one. That would help decentralizing the most of course. If you need to help. We are happy to help.
- Have to say, I get that this is unpaid and great volunteering, but that website has pretty bad contrast. Sorry.
  
  I'm the one who made the website. Do you think if we just brightened the outlines around the ui elements that that would help with the contrast?
  To me, it looks fine, but if changing something made it better for other people, I'm all for it.

I'm using fedia.io and it's very stable. Nice after the instability of kbin.social and kbin.run. although I could be bad luck and causing the devs to run.
- @jerry@fedia.io is helping us a lot! And the Mbin devs are in close contact with him to keep the server up and running as stable as possible. Both parties are trying to respond quickly. And we all appreciate that a lot! I can't thank Jerry and the Mbin community enough for this.
  
  Great job guys. I love using it.
  
  Hey, so I noticed that the layout on fedia.io is great on my tablet, and my pc, but on my cell phone it's garbage.
  Is that a fedia.io issue I should let Jerry know about? Or is it an mbin issue that I should show you?

- I disagree. Mbin is so small at this point that going to fedia.io isn't even an issue.
  As users pour in, over the millions, then they'll spread out. But for now, it's kind of like worrying that the town is getting too crowded because a 5th house was built, and the other town only has 2 houses.
  
  Hey! Not in my back yard!
- Both sites are legit. https://fedidb.org/software/mbin is also fine if people want to use it. FediDB is created by Daniel (@dansup@pixelfed.social), he also created Pixelfed.
- When you filter the servers to open registration and up-to-date/not-abandoned, there's actually a really limited selection of Mbin servers left (5 total). So I don't think decentralization matters to much in this case. Those servers include: fedia.io, kbin.earth, kbin.melroy.org, moist.catsweat.com, and thebrainbin.org. There's also gehirneimer.de for German language.
  You can see the full list here: joinmbin.org/servers
  
  moist.catsweat.com???

Welcome! kbin.melroy.org is the biggest one that I've seen that isn't blocked on my school network. It's run by one of the maintainers (hmmm, m-bin, melroybin?) and uses the latest stable release if that's a plus for you.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no political situation.
- yes kbin.melroy.org (sorry about the kbin subdomain name, but changing the domain name will cause federation issues...) is indeed from me (Melroy). And since I wasn't creative the m in Mbin stands indeed for Melroy. Which is my first name. I was also a very active contributor of /kbin on Codeberg before the fork.
  Disclaimer: Anyways, since I'm also developing, I sometimes do test some patches or run the latest greatest bleeding edge version from the main branch. Just saying :). Which might not always be the most stable haha. BUT!! You can you run & test the latest features, that is for sure. Haha.

What exactly happened for the name to be changed from Kbin to Mbin? I missed that plot point.
- Like people already mentioned below, a fork was created after kbin development halted. And the project maintainer was absent but at the same time didn't delegated the work fully. Hence the creation of the fork: Mbin.
  I wasn't creative, so the M in Mbin stands for my name: Melroy. xd
- Mbin is a fork of Kbin. A lot of users have moved from Kbin instances to Mbin, as the Kbin dev has had some personal life issues that have interfered with his ability to reliably work on the project.
- Mbin is a community fork of Kbin. Even while Kbin was still a thing it was already much faster in making changes & additions than Kbin and by now Kbin & Kbin.social is basically dead.
  
  This is indeed all true. Mbin is named after Melroy (I know, I wasn't creative). And by introducing the C4 spec, I made sure the project isn't in hands by a single maintainer and multiple people are already and can become full maintainers of the Mbin project. Hence the reason I also describe it as: "By community, for the community".
  We welcome any developer to join us and help if you would like to contribute (in any way or form you like). You can find us at Matrix chat.
- Mbin is a fork that was startend to add some stuff the original Kbin dev didn't like. These days it seems Kbin is dead though, so basically Mbin is the new Kbin.

I'm quite sensitive to Tankies and seen some other Lemmy instances that seem problematic but I have not noticed any mbin instances standing out in any way. But all mbin instances combined are just a few thousand users at best, so it might just be too few users to even make an impact if there was a specific Tankie instance.
- They are on fedia.io
  
  I think you want to work on your reading comprehension. The topic is about politically problematic mbin instances, not how mbin works.

From before Kbin shut down, I was hearing a lot of talk of the Mbin devs being dickheads and spamming around the site.
I don’t think they’re genocide denying authies like the Lemmy devs, but the mbin team isn’t great either.
Why not look into something like PieFed?
- I am part of the mbin team and I am really tired of hearing shittalking about us without any reason. Nobody has any reason to call us anything but passionate.
  When melroy started the fork, really weird accusations were thrown around without being based on anything...
- but the mbin team isn’t great either.
  i keep seeing this without anything to back it up.
  do you have anything to back it up?
  
  Yes, thank you.. Can somebody back it up? And thank you of being part of our community originalucifer.
- I'm part of the Mbin team (and created the fork), why are you calling us dickheads? You don't even know the dev team. You don't even know me.
  If you want to join Mbin you can just join a Mbin server. If you want to join the community and help out, join the Matrix chat. I don't understand where all the fuzz is about.
  @BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de is also part of the Mbin team (thank you!), and he is also tired about all the negative talking about us, without any foundation of truth.
- I’ve had quite a lot of experience in interacting with the mbin team and I can definitely say they are kind and compassionate people who have a passion for this project and have shown nothing but helpfulness and grace to me and many other people.
- Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?
  
  It's more targeted towards Dessalines: https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342
  Don't shoot the messenger, just remembered seeing this post a while back
  
  Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?
  I'm sorry, that's hilarious. It's so odd, so absurd I can't help but laugh.
  I've disagreements of my own, but all I want is to put them aside for a bit because this sentence deserves appreciation.
- Not an mbin dev, but I do hang out in the matrix channel (because their app support is amazing).
  I've brought up mbin a few times in various threads. I don't like to advertise as such, but if someone wants to know what my setup is, or is otherwise interested in self-hosting, I absolutely offer it as a suggestion.
  After kbin.social died, and I didn't want to restart somewhere else just to have it die too, so I opted to self-host.
  Why mbin rather than PieFed? For me, I started using it because it does threads and microbloging, and I didn't want to run two servers (and Mastodon install is a pain in the ass). I continue to endorse it because they keep fixing the problems I have with it, and they aren't jerks about bug reports. And they actually respond in chat (unlike the dead SearXNG chat).
  I haven't seen any spamming (other than my own), so if you're gonna shit on them, maybe come up with some examples. As for their temperament, they've always been helpful, responsive, and pleasant to communicate with (as least with me).
- One of main reasons I want to try Mbin is having lemmy style and mastodon style content in one place and afaik piefed doesn’t offer that
  
  Counter opinion: mbin and the devs are fine.
  There's a couple of people here who won't stop hopping into every thread about anything to talk about the things they make/businesses they run/etc.
  Feels more like they're just a little too enthusiastic over their shit than actual shitheads, but that's just me.
  
  Piefed? It does, at least somewhat. IIRC the main thing is that you can't follow specific Mastodon users.
  From a satisfied pyfedi user.
  
  Yeah I would definitely skip out on Mastodon and Lemmy directly. They're fine as a temporary visit but long term nah.
- Dickhead meet Dickbutt, sounds like reddit poetry to me
- https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/socialism_faq.md#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs
  Here is one of the devs with an entire FAQ showing their denial of the Uyghur genocide.

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