Has the West Closed All Its Project Ukraine Exits? | naked capitalism
Has the West Closed All Its Project Ukraine Exits? | naked capitalism
Have the US and NATO managed to box themselves in with the Ukraine war?
Good analysis of what options (or lack of) the west has with their commitment to killing Ukranians.
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I did read a bit of that tankie garbage and this is the funniest bit I reached:
For Russia, the war is existential.
Russia can stop murdering Ukrainians at any time without anyone caring for Russian land or the existence of Russia. It's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy that anyone in "the West" would want to invade Russia. They could have just stuck to selling resources to Europe and the rest of the world, but instead they chose to attack their neighbour.
If you really build your world view on a foundation like this article you are completely lost - at least outside Russia. You might make a career in Moscow, though.
Jesus Christ read a fucking book. Russia was invaded twice through its border with Ukraine. Want to guess who did it and why?
The first invasion was Napoleon, of France, of Western Europe, of the North Atlantic. Why? Because it would be beneficial to the Western order to control the resources, eliminate competition, and subjugate the people.
The second invasion was the Third Reich, of Germany, of Western Europe, of the North Atlantic. Why? The same reasons as Napoleon plus two more. One, because European fascism arose in response to the successful creation of the world's first workers' state, the Third Reich was hell bent on not merely controlling Russia but also ending the project for worker states. Second, because the Third Reich sought to replicate the great success of the USA in subjugating natives and blacks and extracting hyperprofits from them without giving them opportunity for revolt and wanted to apply the same program to the Slavs of Eastern Europe and Russia.
In both of those invasions, Russia was under an existential threat and lost a massive number of lives. Both of these invasions were across the border with Ukraine.
Now we have NATO, helmed by the USA (who the Third Reich emulated) staffed originally by literal Nazi officers as part of the USA's leave-behind project which distributed Nazis all over Europe, as part of the larger pattern of the USA's participation in the Nazi project through Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip. Now we have a nuclear army staffed by Nazis by the country the Nazis emulated that trained Nazis and used Nazis and voted against condemning Nazis and currently has Nazis marching publicly domestically and has been arming and funding Nazis for decades. And that nuclear army has been expanding its presence and logistics and supply chains and recruiting and training operations across Europe and after training and arming Nazis in Ukraine for years and after supporting a coup and hand picking the leader to take the place of the democratically elected leader, after all that, NATO finally has a chance of moving its military presence into Ukraine.
And you don't think that represents an existential threat to Russia? You think the motivations of Napoleon and the Third Reich are gone? You think the economics and geopolitics have changed so much that no one could possibly have any further interests that would lead them to attempting to subjugate Russia?
Read. Do everyone a favor and stop putting your ignorance as though it's a position and read something.
It's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy that Russia will invade Poland, but it seems like most people here think they will if we don't send Ukranians to their deaths..
Can you show me where the West threatend to invade Russia? Because Russians do so regularly. Calling that "paranoid" is just willfull ignorance for the sake of being an asshole.
Same for your casual insinuation that the West is "sending Ukrainians to their deaths". The only one forcing them to fight is Russians crossing the border and murdering Ukrainians.
Invading Russia = making political inroads into their historical sphere of influence. The "existential" threat to Russia is that it loses its historic colonial outposts.
Sorry, can you show me where the Russians have actually threatened to invade eastern Europe since 1991?
Ummm ... isn't Ukraine in eastern Europe? So, since at least 2014 they have done more than threaten.
Haha you adding that disclaimer "since 1991" is the funniest thing. Russia losing their occupation of Poland does not undo anything that happened before. But here are some examples for you to completely ignore:
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1516883853431955456
We are already working on a plan for the demilitarization of NATO countries, and Poland is the first in the line after the capture of Kiev
We are ready to take Kyiv and NATO countries without any problems on orders. Our combat-hardened units will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and truth! The West does not yet understand how strong we are
I'm sure you'll manage to find more if you care.
So why do you believe that Russia's selfimposed fear of invasion is not a paranoid delusion?
Oh of we're just talking about random senators or TV personalities then yeah Russia has lots of people that want to restore the Soviet union. I meant from people at their MOF or MOD, or in the presidents office, people who's threats would carry weight beyond playing to domestic politics.
It's cute that you try to talk it down but prominent figures in Russia are talking about invading Europe, murdering its people and eradicating cities.
And no one West of the Russian border cares one bit about moving the Russian border even a meter eastwards. The claim that Nato is a threat to Russia is a sad lie it tells itself to justify its imperialism.
You seem to be ignoring your talking heads vs the Russian ones..
What am I ignoring? That it's a complete waste of time engaging with you because you never acknowledge that you are a liar?
It's hard to spell it out for you more clearly. There are plenty of people in the US and Europe advocating for the break up of Russia.
You still have not provided any proof for the idiotic claim that anyone wants to threatens Russia. It remains a fantasy to justify Russian imperialism, nothing more. Just like a bot you only spew more and more of your BS hoping anything would stick without ever acknowledging that you have been called out for your lies.
I can show you one fairly well-known example.
I actually do get Russia having a violent response against a hostile alliance coming up right to their borders. That side of it makes sense to me. But also, NATO and EU membership was much less of a priority for Ukraine before Russia started invading their borders and killing their citizens. Once Russia has rolled their military into neighboring sovereign nations and started killing and raping and blowing up homes, I think they're forfeited their right to whine about the unfairness if their neighbors decide to join a mutual-defense alliance that can beat the shit out of them.
Russia did invade parts of Eastern Europe in 2008, then again in 2014, then again in 2022...