Republicans Boost Jill Stein as Potential Harris Spoiler
Republicans Boost Jill Stein as Potential Harris Spoiler
“Federal Election Commission records show Stein paid $100,000 in July to a consulting outfit that has worked with Republican campaigns, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s independent presidential bid. The firm, Accelevate, is operated by Trent Pool. The Intercept reported that he appeared to be part of the mob that breached the grounds of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6., 2021. The Journal hasn’t independently verified the reporting.”
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Haven’t we all known this about Shill Stein for a very long time, or are we supposed to pretend it’s a big shocking reveal so the leftists can feel better about being duped?
The people duped by Stein are not the people who call themselves leftists.
On the contrary, many that call themselves leftists have been thoroughly duped. Or they're all bad faith actors, but I try to never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
Duped, sure, but not by Stein.
I sort of was in 2016, I eventually voted for Hilary but considered Stein for a while after the DNC
Are the democrat candidates not shills themselves?
That being said, fuck Jill Stein for squandering the Green Party. She needs to go awayWho are they shilling for? See, Comrade Stein is shilling for Russia. As we know- there is a connection. But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?
But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?
Netanyahu. AIPAC bought two candidates right out in the open. The party welcomes foreign interference against progressives.
Israel paid directly for two candidates and committed FARA violations? That's a big claim buddy. Got any... Evidence?
AIPAC paid to defeat Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. If you want to believe that AIPAC is actually independent of Israel, I can't make you stop believing absurdities.
I know what AIPAC is. Your claim is that they have direct funding from the government of Israel. That's illegal. You are allowed to set up a lobby group in the US that supports another country as long as the funds are obtained from within the US.
I know this might come as a shock to you, but there are many jews living in the US that happen to support Israel. You are welcome to set up any lobby group you want. Go ahead and set one up for Lebanon. But FARA is very clear about the source of the funds.
If youre not familiar with FARA take some time to acquaint your self? Or talk to a lawyer maybe? I don't know.
Your argument in favor of foreign interests interfering in US elections is essentially "well, it's perfectly legal, and if you don't like it, help another foreign interest interfere in US elections."
Are you doing it on purpose? It seems you're trying really hard. Like really hard.
That's not my argument. I think it's clear to everyone else reading you're doing it on purpose so I'm out. Cheers.
That’s not my argument.
Then what is? It's fine to buy candidates as long as your PAC has the fig leaf of US funding when it operates on behalf of a foreign government? Because that's what happened. Israel didn't like the incumbents. AIPAC spent loads of money on their challengers.
Back in 2022, we were told that when the party propped up the anti-choice, pro-nra, anti-labor Henry Cuellar against his progressive challenger Jessica Cisneros, it absolutely wasn't because he was a centrist and she a progressive. It was that the party protects its incumbents in order to maintain the incumbency advantage and the proven track record for winning.
But we just saw the party do absolutely fucking nothing at all to protect the progressive incumbents Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, while their opponents took boatloads of cash from AIPAC to sink them.
As far as I'm concerned, the party supports Netanyahu's ongoing genocide, and in exchange AIPAC spends heaps of money in opposition to progressive incumbents that party leadership refuses to protect.
I understand what you're trying to say, but you've mixed in 3 different topics into a blender to build up a narrative. This is literally a gish gallop and it's intentional.
The only thing I pushed back was that AIPAC was taking money directly from Israel and circumventing FARA, which is a common conspiratorial talking point.
Now in addition to addressing FARA, you want to talk about
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incumbent advantage and popularity of these candidates
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dems support for genocide,
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the influence of lobbying in elections.
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I can't
That's really all you have to say. We know you can't back up your claims with evidence already.
ROFL! Hilarious!
Yes, you find 14 pages of dead Palestinian infants to be the funniest shit ever. The perpetrator of the ongoing genocide in Gaza bought candidates for you.
Look at that! Four upvotes within mere minutes on a completely dead end comment chain! You’re about as authentic as they get bud!
No amount of suck puppets will make the shit you say appear any less stupid.
No, I find your bullshit false accusations to be funny. Especially when it’s backed up by quite a lengthy mod log of removed misinformation and bullshit trolling attempts.
I have no sock puppet accounts. If I Had sockpuppets, my comments would have more upvotes and a lot more genocide supporters would have more downvotes. Only one comment I've ever made has been (unjustly in my opinion) removed as misinformation.
You're just mad that I didn't immediately shut up when you used "hilarious" as a rebuttal. Now you're responding to my comments multiple times, spouting conspiracy nonsense, and going through my comment history to stalk me into other threads.
News flash bud…. There’s no genocide supporters here. But ironically, I did see you get bent out of shape when someone accused you of being a Trump supporter.
Hypocrite.
If you can’t take it- don’t dish it.
Good lord you are a special kind of awful. Go peddle lies elsewhere.
Removed, civility.
Lol what? Are you just totally ignorant to corporate involvement in politics? Do you know what a lobbyist is?
Comparing Russian influence on a compromised asset to lobbyists is a bit of a reach bud. But you do you!
Wow, wow. Have you seen Erin Brokovich? Do you think corporations have your best interest at heart? Triangle shirtwaist factory? OSHA? Johnson&Johnson gave generations of babies cancer with their talc. Just look up tort reform and tort cases. Watch the documentary Hot Coffee. Watch the documentary The Bleeding Edge about medical devices. How about the Oakville Blob scandal that happened during Clinton's administration? What about social media companies and tech companies and the products they produce? Lead in baby food and Dollar Tree foods. The Nestle baby formula scandal. Thalidomide babies. Glyphosate being a neurotoxin that's permeated our water supply. What about environmental impacts of our companies and how those are genociding more people than actual active war? What about P Diddy and Epstein and all their connections to literal business owners who fund and come up with many policies? Or earth being past 6 of 9 planetary boundaries?
And think about how insurance companies lobbied to prevent Medicare for All policies and the best thing we could get was Obamacare. Or how price gouging has been shown to have happened with current inflation around fucking FOOD prices. Or how fucking taxes and tax breaks work for corporations compared to the rates in the 70s.
Notice how all these things harm the general public? The very people our representatives should represent? Yeah, Dems are shills and have blood on their hands.
They are literally killing us through abusive policies, inaction, medical neglect, starvation, climate change, and mismanagement. The Dems may be less fucked up than others, but they are absolutely fucked up.
Clinton was buddies with Epstein. They are NOT "for the people." They are for the status quo.
The state of political discourse on Lemmy:
have you seen Erin Brokovich
Jesus. You can't make this up
Yeah, have you seen one of the most famous cases about companies killing people and not having ypur best interests at heart? Erin Brokovich to this day does this work.
Or if you don't like that point - there's literally dozens of other examples of corporate shittery.
I'm going to guess you're a massive sexist based on the comment you made though.
What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Smoking.
Erin Brokovich is a great movie and her story is amazing. It's a testament to the perseverance of an amazing person and the awful corruption in industry and lobbying.
What is asinine is bringing it up in a discussion such as this as if it's some great testament or insight into the current state of affairs. Same goes for triangle factory fire. Are you under the impression we all woke up yesterday and you're here to give us a community college social studies 101? What the actual fuck. And to call people sexist for pointing out the idiocy in this kindergarten level analysis is just the cherry on top. Fucking kill me already.
It’s a testament to ... the awful corruption in industry and lobbying.
Okay, cool. So you DO understand why I brought her up in a list about corporations and how they harm the public. She's a great classic example. Glad you admitted many of my examples were classics that would be mentioned in academia because they are notable.
What analysis am I making that is "kindergarten level?" I thought you just said it was college level? Social studies 101, no?
I've existed online for a long time. I used to be afraid to openly be a woman. I know how people treat me when they think I'm a woman versus a man. Yes, you and that other person come across as blatantly sexist. Any time I get unwarranted vitriol, it's pretty obvious because I used to not get it when I was pretending to be a man. I can see how people (including mods on this sub) respond to the men I'm arguing with, give them sooooo much leeway to call me names and argue, but if I fight back and don't act like a submissive woman, they try to punish me to get back in line. Hence why all misogynists are fascists.
Like here. The original commenter asked: "What are Dems shills for?"
I answered - corporations.
Then they wanted to know, essentially, if being a shill for a corporation was as bad as being a shill for a foreign hostile nation (Russia). Ergo, I bring up many notable cases where corporations have harmed people. More Americans have died to corporations than to Russia.
This is just true. So what's so offensive about it you have to malign me?
The reason I pushed back has absolutely nothing to do wit your sex. Nothing you said pointed to anyone being able to determine your sex. So I don't know how to be sexist to someone who's sex I haven't determined. You think it's because Erin Brokovich is a woman???? Is that what you took out of my comment?
Jesus. Just end me already
Whatever you say kiddo.
What? I'm in my thirties and a sex worker. I'm not a "kiddo"
Mods, why was this comment removed? It violates no community guidelines.
If that’s what you wanted to have said- it’s good for you that you managed to say it, isn’t it?
Why wouldn't I want to say that? I am an adult talking about an adult topic. I gave you numerous examples of Dems being a shill, which you literally asked for:
Who are they shilling for?
As we know- there is a connection. But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?
And neither I nor the other commenter are advocating for voting for Stein or Trump. Im voting for Kamala specifically because I think she will help sex workers. So it's kinda funny how hostile you're being with your little insults when we are on the 'same side.' Another Dem with the emotional and verbal abuse, you all can't resist it, can you? And then Dems wonder why people aren't motivated to vote for them lol.
What problems does Russian interference cause, that isn't present with corporate interference? You assert they are totally different and being a shill for one is drastically different than a shill for another (admitting Dems are shills). Both are guilty of killing people and misinformation. It's just who personally gets the financial benefits that changes. So how is being a shill for Blackrock so much better than a shill for Russia?
If Kamala was a shill for Russia and Trump was a corporate shill, but their policies were the same, would it be more moral to vote for who they shill for, or for the policies they say they will put forth?
Like if Kamala was a Russian asset, and Trump wasn't, who would you vote for?
Totally fine so long as it's our rich people who control politicians, just so long as it's not foreign rich people.
Nationalism is a hell of a drug.
AIPAC
Hilarious.
I don’t think supporting genocide is.
Yeah. No one does. So what’s hilarious is your baseless accusation that flies in the face of all things real and proven.