8mo ago

USA approves $8.7bn aid package for Israel

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US Gives Israel $8.7 Billion in Military Aid for Operations in Gaza and Lebanon - News From Antiwar.com

I guess they really want Israel to stop!

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- We can only do so much. Our country does not care in the slightest about its people, only corporations and billionaires
- Have you tried voting harder?
- Sorry bro. I guess keep calling it out. I guess it feels like not enough but that's all you have, I guess
Every dollar saved because of "defensive aid" gets spent on offensive weapons...
If they had to pay for their own defense, they wouldn't be able to start so many wars at once.
- Normally, I could understand offering at least some minimal baseline level of defensive aid (edit: and perhaps even an inflated one considering that the the one year anniversary of the Hamas attack is coming up), but...
  Israel has nukes. Why the heck does the US need to offer defensive aid to a nuclear armed country?
  The US doesn't do this for any other allied (UK, France) or loosely allied neutral (India) country with nukes.
- If they had to pay for their own defense they wouldn't exist.
  
  Bombing other people isn't fucking self defense....
  I have no issues with funding actual defense mechanisms like the iron dome and whatever. Small munitions, bulletproof vests, whatever you need to DEFEND your citizens I'm cool with. When it turns outward and you start "military operations" against other countries that's when I say good fucking luck on your own.
  
  Source for that?
  They're trying to make sure other nations don't exist.
  
  That's... A good thing.
But but we are pushing for a cease fire. What a smoke screen.
- Yo for real, my mom is one of those Bible nuts... Can't be reasoned with. "dead children are part of God's plan"
Stop doing this.
- Doing what? Showing how the Biden administration and Democratic party are perfectly happy to help Israel kill children?
  
  I don't think that's what they meant...
  
  A Republican administration would be licking Bibi's butthole just as much, if not more. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Israel has overstepped the "defending itself" excuse, and is committing war crimes in their attempt to destroy Hamas by exterminating and land grabbing from the Palestinians (with Lebanon next). None of this should be funded by the US.
  
  His comment was directed towards the Biden administration not you OP
  
  Today kids, we're going to talk about The Straw Man.
Geopolitics don't change, only the justification.
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So Biden is better for Gaza... Right?
- What are you assuming to be the alternatives?
  
  Not funding this genocide, which Biden is fully capable of doing.
  
  The alternatives to funding Israel's genocide?
- Biden is done. There's no comparison with Trump anymore.
Under US procurement rules, every dollar is to be spent for designated material. In this case, probably for Iron Dome rocket motors which the US supplies. So far this year Hezbolah has launched 8,000 iranian rockets into Isreal, yesterday 300. To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
- To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
  Because Israel is an impoverished nation which can't terrorise others without the US's funding?
  
  So, there's a vote to leave them defenseless.
- I don't think it's so clear what some of the money is going to. From the article:
  the package includes $3.5 billion for “essential wartime procurement” [...] and a $5.2 billion grant for air defenses. The ministry said the $5.2 billion for air defenses “will significantly strengthen critical systems such as Iron Dome..."
  With Hezbollah launching rockets towards civilians, I am in favor of strengthening the Iron Dome. But it sounds like that $3.5 billion could be to resupply Israel for their attacks on Gaza, thereby enabling new ones.
  
  If it is earmarked for purely defensive equipment, it still indirectly funds their genocide by freeing up other money for it.
  
  "essential wartime procurement” indicates material that has previously supplied. This could be anything from bombs to training.
- To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
  Israel legally can't get any US aid or arms. Period. It's not ambiguous and maybe if they're left defenseless they'll consider maybe treating the people they're oppressing as... people.
  
  So, let's not cower in the corner...are you voting to leave the Israeli citizens defenseless?
- Maybe Israel should pull itself up by its bootstraps and get a second job
- That's a hilarious assumption when we've done this with everything up to and including 2,000 pound dumb bombs in the last year.
  
  I actually read the article. Did you?
- Israel can kill children with someone else's tax dollars; not ours
  
  But they're not under this allocation and you know it. Yet you are sad and need to throw red meat to anyone that will listen.

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