Hacked ‘AI Girlfriend’ Data Shows Prompts Describing Child Sexual Abuse
Hacked ‘AI Girlfriend’ Data Shows Prompts Describing Child Sexual Abuse
Well, this just got darker.
I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn't too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren't commonly associated with children and older teens. It's clearly a form of deflection IMO.
Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound
As the other comment implies, that's just the easiest plot to shove porn into. I don't think that many people are watching it for the plot, it just happens to be there. Like, people aren't fantasizing about becoming a plumber to fuck women instead of being paid, for example. It's just a lazy plot because they need to give some reason for the scene.
Personally I think the rise in incest porn has to do with the rise in isolationism. Lots of people, young men especially, are going out less and less and having more of their social interactions online. As a consequence of this, for a number of these men, the vast majority of the real life female interactions they get are from women in their own homes. And biology has a way of adapting, so I think a lot these men are getting confusing feelings about people in their own homes due largely just to lack of outside exposure to women.
to cultures like Japan and Russia that don’t strongly condemn such things
As someone from Russia - what?
Unless you mean being attracted to post-puberty, but pre-legal girls. That, ahem, makes sense biologically.
Girls of that age are sometimes kinda cruel to boys, though, so my personal teenage years trauma prevents me from dreaming of them. But if not for it, I think I would.
Toddlers are a completely different issue.
There is this thing that I feel is most prevalent in the USA, to call any attraction to a girl under the age of 18 pedophilia. Because that's the age to star in porn. The term should truly be used for attraction to children. I think it's an extension of the "pedo panic" where every man is assumed for some reason to be a child rapist now.
As such almost every young man could at some point be caught as a "pedophile"- 17 year olds sneak into clubs all the time, for example. 20 year old hooked up with one? Now he is considered a pedophile even if the actual age of consent is lower.
Meanwhile the porn industry glorifies "barely 18" girls as something highly desirable. It's a little messed up to say the least.
Actual pedos who are into kids should be put in mental institutions. But I would strongly suspect that 15% stated just includes honest young men and creepy old men, none of which are truly pedophiles. That number is way too high.
It's racism, due to his political alignment he can't go after black people but Russians are fair game.
Does this though? Or does it reduce the demand for real CP?
I actually don't think this is shocking or something that needs to be "investigated." Other than the sketchy website that doesn't secure user's data, that is.
Actual child abuse / grooming happens on social media, chat services, and local churches. Not in a one on one between a user and a llm.
It's the "burn that witch" reaction.
See how they hate pedophiles and not child rapists.
The crowd wants to feel its power by condemning (and lynching if possible) someone.
I'd rather want to investigate those calling for "investigation" and further violation of privacy of people who for all we know have committed no crime.
That's about freedom of speech and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and thousand hills radio, you know the argument.
Why tf are there so many people okay with people roleplaying child sexual abuse AT ALL??? Real or fake KEEP AN EYE ON ALL OF THEM.
I dont care if its a real child or a fucking bot, that shit is disgusting, and the AI is the reason how some pedos are able to generate cp of children without having to actually get their hands on children.
The fact someone will look at this and go "Yea but what about the REAL child rapists huh??" Is astounding. Mfcker if a grown ass adult is willing to make a bot that is promoted to act like a horny toddler, then what exactly is stopping them from looking at real children that way.
Keep in mind, Im not talking about Lolicon, fuck that. I'm talking about people generating images of realistic or semirealistic children to use as profiles for sex bots. I'm talking about AI. I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN PEOPLE DO THIS, someone actually did this with my character recently. They took the likeness of my character and began generating porn with it using prompts like "Getting fcked on the playground, wet psy, little girl, 6 year old, 2 children on playground, slut..."
Digital or not this shit still affects people, it affects people like me. These assholes deserve to be investigated for even attempting this kinda shit on the clear net.
And before you ask, the character that belonged to me looks really young because I look really young. I got severe ADHD which makes me mentally stunted or childish, and that gets reflected in my OCs or fursonas. This person took a persona, an extension of me PERSONALLY, lowered her age on purpose, and made porn of her. That fuckin hurts dude. Especially after speaking about how close these characters are to me. I'm aware it could be a troll, but honest to god, the prompt they used was demonstrably specific and detailed. Some loser online drawing kanna's feet hurts me way less than someone using AI to generate faux CP and then roleplay with those same bots or prompts. What hurts me more is that there's no restrictions on some AI's to stop people from generating images like this. I don't wanna see shit like this become commonplace or "fine" to do. Keep tabs on individuals like this, cus they VERY WELL could be using the likeness/faces of REAL children for AI CP and that's just as bad.
Americans frighten me
Lmao are you out here saying we should essentially smear people for thought crimes?
See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they've ever actually hurt anyone.
Do I like that there's art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can't even get the help they need. It's like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You're trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.
Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say "pedophiles bad." I guess I, as you like to put it, "hit a nerve."
There are literally tv shows about how to get away with murder. Very popular ones. Those viewers don't murder at a higher rate than others.
As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I'm not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.
True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.
Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.
I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they'd find I'm yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I'd certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.
We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we're eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.
instead of knowing someone in the neighborhood is researching how to get away with murder.
...how would I know that?
I missed the original comment and this discussion now makes no sense. Why would you edit the content of your comment when you don't care about the points or the outrage?
Your psycho-pass is clouding, and your crime coefficient is well over 100.
insert surprised pikachu face here
Wait… so you meant to tell me that predatory simps are using AI incorrectly? Man…. If only someone could have called this years ago- something could have been done to minimize it!
Who knew that unchecked growth could lead to negative results?!
yea i don't have a problem with people with issues having non-harmful outlets for their urges, even though i might consider those outlets distasteful.
An outlet they need is fuckin therapy, not sex robots, tf.
Idk maybe im fucking crazy for that but if I got an urge to murder specific types of people and my "outlet" is roleplaying it or using a videogame to do it. I should probably seek some fuckin help. Not keep doing it. It doesn't matter that it's not hurting anyone. It's unhealthy, doesn't actually help them, and could escalate into them doing even worse things.
Keep in mind, 1st person shooters or violent games deadass dont count. Intent matters. I can say "yea I love driving over people in GTA, its funny af" and thats fine, but if I confess that I enjoy targeting certain types of people in GTA; that I like attaching personalities or life stories to them, and then talk about how I like to find different ways to kill them slowly because x, y, and z. That I don't do it as a joke but because I get a genuine kick out of it; That's a cause of concern, cus I know some people that did shit like that and turned out to actually have mental issues and thoughts of harming real people.
Like I get this is an issue some people are born with, but at a point, shit like that becomes a problem. Especially because it's porn. To me, Porn in general is just a slippery ass slope. No I don't wanna start fuckin crucifying ever non-offending pedo I see, i ain't that kinda person. But for the love of god, can we normalize them getting REAL help instead of these "alternatives". I just feel like the more you involve yourself with a fantasy bot, the more you're gonna forget that this isn't how real people work and the more the line between fantasy and IRL can get blurred.
I mean idk man- im slow, maybe I got it all wrong I truly don't fuckin know some times. But this is just how I feel, and its fucked up to me that shit like child abuse roleplay just goes unchecked like that or that the people that do this kinda stuff should go unchecked.
So it's less about outlets and more about progression. The concern is while plenty have an outlet they can use, we can't know how many also choose to escalate because of these outlets.
That said, I do agree with you. However, I will always be more for understanding the disorder when no act has occurred and finding treatment.
we can't know how many also choose to escalate because of these outlets.
But we do know that in general, porn doesn't elicit that kind of escalation into real life. If this particular category of porn did cause that, it'd literally be a total outlier.
Same with other media, too. Rape porn lovers aren't statistically more likely to rape irl, violent video game lovers aren't more likely to be violent irl, etc., compared to the general population.
So I think it's pretty fair to hypothesize that, if anything, it would reduce the incidence of real-world offense. Just look at the massive negative correlation between the proliferation of porn (thanks to the Internet), and the overall incidence of rape.
Also, I'm familiar with one bit of evidence out of Japan that apparently showed that child molesters consume less porn than the average citizen, which I was definitely surprised to learn, but once you think about it in the context of the stuff I mentioned above, it actually makes perfect sense.
In all likelihood, fictional 'simulations' like LLMs will directly reduce the incidence of CSA, if anything. If that's the case, I can't oppose such things in good conscience--it'd be pretty narcissistic to put my personal disgust over even a single kid not getting bad touched.
...what's the Ai model trained on?
yikes
A sex chatbot? Ask the developers. I would just scrape AO3.
Do you think there's a public database of statutory rape chatlogs?
Not at all surprising but also it is an AI
A bit off topic... But from my understanding, the US currently doesn't have a single federal agency that is responsible for AI regulation... However, there is an agency for child abuse protection: the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect within Department of HHS
If AI girlfriends generating CSAM is how we get AI regulation in the US, I'd be equally surprised and appalled
To be honest it is more likely to get porn banned in the U.S. and we'll watch rapes/sexual assaults/abductions/murders of the people involved go up.
Ain't that what are the tools there for. I mean I don't like cp and I don't want to engage in way with people who like it. But I use those llms to describe fantasies that I wouldn't even talk about with other humans.
As long as they don't do it on real humans nobody is hurt.
The problem with AI generated CP is that if they're legal, it opens a new line of defense for actual CP. You would need to prove the content is not AI to convince real abusers. This is why it can't be made legal, it needs to be prosecuted like real CP to be sure to convict actual abusers.
This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.
But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.
This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.
I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.
I suppose "AI big bad" justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that's being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.
I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.
As long as they don’t do it on real humans nobody is hurt.
Living out the fantasy of having sex with children (or other harmful sexual practices and fantasies) wit AI or alike can strengthen the wish to actual do it in RL. It can weaken the strength to abstain. If you constantly have fantasies where for example "the child AI wanted it too" then it can desensitize you and making it harder and harder to push that thought aside when in a tempting situation. Instead of replacing the real thing with a fantasy you are preparing for the real thing. Some pedophiles already interpret children's behavior as sexual that isn't at all, but the AI might be told to act in that way and strengthen these beliefs.
This is still something that is and has to be studied more to fully understand it. Of course this is difficult because of the stigma. There might be differences between people who only are attracted to children and ones that are attracted to adults and children and there is just not enough data yet, but even the communities in which pedophiles who do not act on their fantasies discuss coping strategies this is heavily discussed and controversial.
If you are interested in the subject a bit more, this is a start: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8419289/
Yeah that link is a no for me boss
As a man who was descending to a dark place when I was a teen, I can say this with confidence:
This kind of content, like CP or r*pe-y stuff, even if clearly not real and only a fantasy, feeds these desires, and makes them grow. In time, if you continue to foster it, they will bleed into real life, and then it becomes a real problem. That's why this kind of stuff is scary.
Thankfully, I was able to spot this pattern before it became a problem, that is a dangerous slippery slope
Wrong. People who allow these desires to fester, or as you suggest, actively seek out fulfillment for them, is not good for anyone. It’s not good for the pedophiles, because it will increase the need for fulfilling their illegal desires, and it won’t help kids, obviously because it emboldens pedophiles.
Have you ever experienced something you like, and said to yourself: “definitely not doing more next time.”
Maybe the next step to actually life these fantasies are so close they still become a problem because the hand isnt satisfying enough to use?
The problem with that argument is, that you can translate that to games, movies, books and basically everything. What if a person isn't satisfied by killing people in pc games? What if they go into real life?
That argument is only valid for people who can't differentiate between reality and fiction. And usually those people need medical help.
Theres people arguing here that AI gened CP May not be that bad at all cus its fictional.
I wanna blow my actual fucking head off, genuinely. This ain't even the realm of lolicon anymore. Just straight up, realistic cheese pizza.
If that's the case then sharing of all that AI Taylor swift porn should be fine too cus its fictional. It may be of a real and public figure, but it's not REALLY her nudes!! Idk man- eughhhhhhh, all this rubs me the wrong way, no pun intended
Imagine just looking at an online AI gallery and seeing literal AI CP, just out there, public, free to use. It gives me the impression that people only care about child abuse or CP once it involves a real child, not that its general existence is an absolute endangerment to real children if they happen to get caught in the crossfire; that allowing people to fester that content as a "Coping mechanism" instead of getting help may just normalize shit like this or desensitize people to that kinda content. Like imagine stumbling upon that shit and seeing porn AI gened porn of someone who looks exactly like you, adult or child. Even worse if that person who made it knows you. Again- not real art, AI. Idk man- again it just all make me feel sick and queasy...
It's a subset of Rule 34.
I mean, a lot of women get raped as a child, sadly
So its pretty realistic for an AI gf to talk about her past trama of child sexual abuse. I don't think we should be upset about this..
We need to talk about rape culture to end rape culture
Maybe enough forum boards were scraped where women were discussing this happening that it became a significant data point?
What we really need is a conversation about organized religion since those organizations by far molest the most children.
Definitely.
Wait is that what this article is about, and not the people programming them to do shit like this??
wow really, i never would have guessed/s
fucking disgusting
Paywall. That site frankly does not even look legit and looking at the plethora of other AI sites I don't know who would use this one. It's not even displaying correctly and has like 0 information on anything. If I were to stumble upon that site I'd think it is shady as hell.
It is a independent publication for tech critical journalism, founded by ex motherboard journalists. Only some of their stuff is paywalled, some only requires free account. Agree on their site but their journalism is usually pretty good.
Literally not paywalled.
And they did this for free posts because there's lots of sites that scrap and re"publish" articles.
Accountwalled then
There are better ways to assess the legitimacy of a media outlet than critiquing its web design. The Wikipedia page might be a good start.
I don't like the loginwall, but it doesn't require payment.
404media is one of the best independent journalistic sites available. They started one year ago, so they aren't especially well know, but they are a four person org that came from places like Vice.com and wanted to get out of the corporate bullshit. You should check out their non-paywalled articles.
He's revealing he's either a sock puppet or a bot. Notice the weird disconnected and aggressive comments in a lot of these post follow the same idea. They just try to drum up conflict. Ignore them.
Edit: They deleted the comment when called out. Totally not guilty looking at all. The comment basically complained how the feminist agenda is taking over the world, written in a rather aggressive and confrontational tone. (As if trying to provoke conflict/engagement)
Actually I'm not an incel. I buy my sex. And how much of a sheltered softy do you have to be to believe women won't date anti-feminists. Isn't Donald Trump on his 5th wife?
There's a bit of a difference between "Pretend girlfriends" and "Child abuse material"
Ackshualllly, it's ephebophilia because these are young women above the age of...
/s
Just kidding, it's CP
This is a weird one, because while fantasy is fantasy, and doesn't necessarily indicate an intention to act on anything, these people were dumb enough to share these specific fantasies with some random AI porn site. That's got to be an indicator of poor impulse control, right?
That alone should probably warrant immediate FBI background checks, or whatever relevant agencies have jurisdiction for these types of criminal investigations in each user's locality.
Of course, I am saying it's without actually having read any of the chats. So it's possible my opinion would change from "this should be investigated", to summary executions and burn the bodies for good measure... but no way I'm reading those fucking chats.
Just to be clear, are you saying that people should be investigated by the police for fictional stories that they read?
*ask to be written
I mean, if those stories were made by their prompts and about having sex with children then maybe 🤷♂️
I know we need to draw a line about what police can do with that sort of info so it’s not abused, but these people are still sick fucks.
No, I am saying that sharing fantasies about underage children with a shady and poorly designed AI porn site, shows a serious lack of judgement and impulse control.
For that reason, yeah, they probably deserve having a quick review of their life to make sure that's the only poor choice they've made in regards to that particular fantasy.
And they weren't just reading, they were prompting the LLM model to generate these specific fantasies. They didn't just come across a fucked up website and read a few forum posts.
Is that an indicator of poor impulse control? Really? Finding some shady back of the internet ai site to put some weird fantasy prompts into to get themselves off? Seems pretty calculated to me. They can't put it somewhere legitimate where content is moderated and policed. Seems like pretty sound logic to me.
Dont get me wrong, these people are sick. If thats what they are into then theres something wrong, but instead of targeting real kids like so many people actually do, you know, like hollywood, celebrities, musicians, the catholic church etc they are entering prompts and reading stories. Sounds like impulse controlled to me.