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Sorry, but I'm honestly hoping Cars wins this. Fuckcars is so obnoxious and pretentious. Like, I get it, cars are terrible for the environment/communal spaces, but there's a lot that needs to change before everyone can eliminate their personal vehicle. That sub acts like you're Satan if you own a car.
I think most people in that sub are American car owners that are advocating for cities to be less car dependant
And as someone who lives in California right by where the "high speed rail" that's been promised for decades will be built, I'll again point out that until other things progress, you cant remove cars, and acting any differently, like that sub often does, shows their niavette.
it sounds like you're still missing the point of both communities: the fuckcars crowd want improved non-car options; the cars crowd want complain about people using alternatives that inconvenience them when they drive.
no one's advocating abolishing cars. there's plenty who are pissed off at entitled drivers and rightfully so; but only the clueless want abolishment and that's contrary to the point.
Sure! So how do things progress towards more walkable cities, with useable public transit?
Oh yeah. People gotta get pissed enough to actually have the motivation to effect real change.
So drive your disposable $40,000 gutless wonder to and from everything, I'll continue to give you the finger every time you forget people who ride bikes exist.
And take my cabriolet on the occasional pleasure cruise, because it's actually worth driving.
Because yeah, cars can be cool. But not on the fucking daily, that's exhausting. Zing!
They act like athiest vegans. They completely fuck up the message.
Pipe down, you don't even have a message
Their main problem is they want to only advocate their ideal world, ignoring all the necessary steps in-between. Real "society is evil so go live in the woods instead" vibes. They don't want to be a part of current society, and often don't want to be a part of the actual change - they just want to live in an imagined utopia.
What in-between steps? Undermining corporate-created car culture is a great way to get address some of the many problems from cars and their ubiquitous, unpleasant, incredibly wasteful infrastructure.
I hate cars, for some very good reasons, and I'll keep hating them even if it makes people uncomfortable.
I'm tired of breathing in your carcinogenic brake pad dust and exhaust fumes. I don't want microplastics from car tires in my brain (too late). Did you know noise pollution from traffic is linked to early mortality? That cars are easily one of the leading causes of death in countries like the US, for multiple reasons? Fuck cars.