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Gen Z advocacy group launches TikTok campaign against Jill Stein

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  • Almost entirely signal boosted as proof of a carrot that both will most likely never arrive, and most likely won't change anything even if it did arrive. There's a large difference between individuals pushing for something and them actually managing to get them passed at a scale that matters.

    • okay but it’s been passed in plenty of your states and that hasn’t been without democrat party support

      you don’t just change the system overnight - change like that can take a lifetime, and it starts with signalling to move the overton window

      • okay but it’s been passed in plenty of your states and that hasn’t been without democrat party support

        Very few states, actually, and it passed in Alaska in a Republican state. Overall, it has weak momentum.

        you don’t just change the system overnight - change like that can take a lifetime, and it starts with signalling to move the overton window

        How do you signal to "move the overton window?" Prayer?

        • the overton window aka “the window of discourse” is literally about talking, and making things more acceptable by their existence in the public consciousness

          the more people TALK about alternative voting mechanisms, the more likely it is for some change to occur… 1 person can’t just up and change the system overnight, but by “signalling” as you’ve dismissively called it, it makes it more likely that other people talk about it and that makes it more likely that it becomes policy

          • How does "signaling" translate to policy? The majority of Americans want abortion codified, legal weed, single payer healthcare, increased gun protection, and more. Why do you think these haven't passed?

        • How do you signal to "move the overton window?" Prayer?

          If only there was some kind of smaller election before the general election where we get to vote on who represents the Democratic party...

          • If only we could vote on leftist candidates in the primary for the DNC, as though it isn't a grand filter before anyone even gets to run...

            • Is there a sitting member of the Democratic party that you would consider a "leftist" or one that holds leftist values?

              • Depends on what you mean by "leftist values." The closest is probably Rashida Tlaib, but in general "The Squad" consists of Social Democrats, which I would consider Center-Right.

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