If Trump wins the election, US cities are at risk of military takeovers and mass deportations
If Trump wins the election, US cities are at risk of military takeovers and mass deportations
Trump has repeatedly threatened to deploy the military inside major cities run by Democrats. Senior officials nationwide are preparing to defend their communities from his threats
Senior Democrats in US cities are preparing to defend their communities in the event of Donald Trump’s return to the White House after the former president has repeated threats that he would use presidential powers to seize control of major urban centers.
Trump has proposed deploying the military inside major cities largely run by Democrats to deal with protesters or to crush criminal gangs. He has threatened to dispatch large numbers of federal immigration agents to carry out mass deportations of undocumented people in so-called “sanctuary” cities.
He also aims to obliterate the progressive criminal justice policies of left-leaning prosecutors.
“In cities where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order … I will not hesitate to send in federal assets including the national guard until safety is restored,” Trump says in the campaign platform for his bid to become the 47th US president, Agenda47.
Trump provoked uproar earlier this week when he called for US armed forces to be deployed against his political rivals – “the enemy within” – on election day next month. But his plans to use national guard troops and military personnel as a means to attack those he sees as his opponents go much wider than that, spanning entire cities with Democratic leadership.
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If they had the ability to repeal the 2nd, they would. The end goal is alway complete removal. Let's stop acting like its not.
They say with zero evidence.
I never understood why it's something that Dems want to hide. There is a pretty damn large portion that want to repeal the 2nd.
https://time.com/5216782/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment/
https://newrepublic.com/article/166628/democrats-repeal-second-amendment-guns
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-joint-resolution/81
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/repeal-second-amendment-gun-control/
https://www.amazon.com/Repeal-Second-Amendment-Safer-America/dp/1250244404
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19608552/major-owens-second-amendment-repeal/
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/SCR42_.pdf
Because the poll has somehow vanished...
In February, for instance, the Economist and YouGov asked Americans whether they supported a repeal of the Second Amendment. Just 21 percent said they favored such a proposal, compared to 60 percent in opposition.
The poll does, however, show surprisingly robust support for Second Amendment repeal (39 percent) among Democrats (by contrast just 8 percent of Republicans would support a full repeal).
So can we stop pretending that support to repeal and ban all guns isn't something that is the end goal?
Lmao, throwing the kitchen sink at us and hoping we won't check the details?
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Retired Supreme Court Judge
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Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer
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A House Bill from 20 years ago with no co-sponsors, that didn't even make it out of committee.
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A Podcaster's opinion article
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Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer
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College Professor wrote a book
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The law saying you can't have fully automatic weapons, (LMFAO, really? you think that's a repeal of the second?)
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An article about the the representative from number 3, who again, acted alone, admitted he acted without party support, and admitted it was little more than a political stunt. Thank you for giving us the first real evidence that Democrats are not trying to ban guns or repeal the second.
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Some state legislators asking for a clarifying amendment. Which, (checks notes), yup completely ignored by the party.
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A paywalled opinion piece by a staff writer.
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Your Seattle Times article puts those numbers in the correct light, because 39 percent isn't a majority or anywhere near enough to force action on the national level.
But public-opinion polling shows it would take a lot of persuading to bring the public around to that view. In February, for instance, the Economist and YouGov asked Americans whether they supported a repeal of the Second Amendment. Just 21 percent said they favored such a proposal, compared to 60 percent in opposition.
So no. The answer is no. Because despite using eleven sources you could not find any evidence the democrats are actually trying to ban all guns. Even if we repealed the second amendment it wouldn't ban all guns, it would just open the opportunity to regulate them.
I will however say that every time the GOP offers thoughts and prayers over the bodies of children, that number grows and once it reaches a tipping point a ban will be inevitable and there will be no glorious civil war because support will just be that high. If the GOP backed off for even a second and allowed red flag laws and universal background check, and had their state AGs prosecute those laws then there would be less shit for law abiding gun owners to wade through. Which is why 75 percent of Americans support Universal Background Check and Gun Licensing. The country is still willing to work with you, that may not be true in a another decade with a hundred more high profile mass casualty events at schools.
Lmao, throwing the kitchen sink at us and hoping we won't check the details?
? You asked for sources, I provided them and you complain...way to start out.
- Retired Supreme Court Judge
A democrat appointed judge. Guess he doesn't count some how.
- Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer
Ah yea another Democrat that doesn't count...got it.
- A House Bill from 20 years ago with no co-sponsors, that didn't even make it out of committee.
So...a bill from a Democrat...but doesn't count...this is going to be a trend with you isn't it?
- A Podcaster's opinion article
Another Democrat that doesn't count...
- Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer
Yep definitely a trend...
- College Professor wrote a book
A democrat got it... doesn't count
- The law saying you can't have fully automatic weapons, (LMFAO, really? you think that's a repeal of the second?)
I forgot how death by 1000 cuts doesn't count...you sound like a anti-abortion mouth piece saying abortion can still be had in other states, but it's fine to be banned in red ones.
- An article about the the representative from number 3, who again, acted alone, admitted he acted without party support, and admitted it was little more than a political stunt. Thank you for giving us the first real evidence that Democrats are not trying to ban guns or repeal the second.
Sooo yep... doesn't count because they're not true Democrats? I hear this a lot from Republicans when they try and refute points...
- Some state legislators asking for a clarifying amendment. Which, (checks notes), yup completely ignored by the party.
So....(Checks notes) Not a real Democrat...got it.
- A paywalled opinion piece by a staff writer.
Another not real democrat...man you really think very few people are Democrats.
- Your Seattle Times article puts those numbers in the correct light, because 39 percent isn't a majority or anywhere near enough to force action on the national level.
So 39% aren't real Democrats is what you're saying?
So no. The answer is no. Because despite using eleven sources you could not find any evidence the democrats are actually trying to ban all guns. Even if we repealed the second amendment it wouldn't ban all guns, it would just open the opportunity to regulate them.
Got it no real Democrats..
I will however say that every time the GOP offers thoughts and prayers over the bodies of children, that number grows and once it reaches a tipping point a ban will be inevitable and there will be no glorious civil war because support will just be that high.
Why are we talking about the shit stains in the GOP?
If the GOP backed off for even a second and allowed red flag laws and universal background check, and had their state AGs prosecute those laws then there would be less shit for law abiding gun owners to wade through.
You do realize a good chunk of the GOP supports ERPOs right? But again why are we talking about the GOP? That wasn't your question.
Which is why 75 percent of Americans support Universal Background Check and Gun Licensing. The country is still willing to work with you, that may not be true in a another decade with a hundred more high profile mass casualty events at schools.
We've had 15 mass shootings in schools since Columbine... we're going to need to have way more each year to get to 100 in under a decade. UBC requires a registery, but most people are to stupid to know this...and gun licensing is a joke.
None of that is going to stop or even dent gun deaths in this country.
If I have to acknowledge everyone who self identifies as a democrat then you have to acknowledge the Republicans and pro 2A groups are terrorists who should be hunted down and renditioned. After all, we're counting what every single person who self identifies with the group says right? Not their actual platform or actions?
If I have to acknowledge everyone who self identifies as a democrat then you have to acknowledge the Republicans and pro 2A groups are terrorists who should be hunted down and renditioned.
Lol wait wait you're suggesting that people who own guns and are pro2a are terrorists? Lol the fuck is wrong with you.
After all, we're counting what every single person who self identifies with the group says right? Not their actual platform or actions?
Lol you literally cannot fathom that there is a good chunk of the Democratic party that would ban all guns if they had the chance lol
PS suggesting that the repubs are pro2a is hilarious.
Oh no not at all, just that there are some. If I have to own a minority position, so do you.
Or we could converse in good faith and look at what the policy directions actually are.
Oh no not at all, just that there are some. If I have to own a minority position, so do you.
This is the issue, I'm not here defending the repubs, and you should know that. They're shit for gun rights, they use it as a wedge issue to get single issue voters to vote for them. Hence why my statement that the dems should drop gun control.
Or we could converse in good faith and look at what the policy directions actually are.
I've provided you sources, would you like me to show actual laws on the books from dems in deep blue cities/states that are doing the death by 1000 cuts way? They might not be able to repeal the 2nd but they're damn sure trying to make it impossible to own a firearm.
Dude if you had a smoking gun we'd have seen it by now. All you have is inference and FUD.
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Let's stop following GOP propaganda by pretending that it is.
https://lemmy.world/comment/12950998
Let's stop acting like the person you're discussing firearms with is a gop supporter...yea?
None of my sources are gop driven links...so...have fun.
39% support among Democrats. Not all Democrats, not a plurality, and not even a majority.
Two of those fucking links went to the same stupid bill from 1994 that a handful of people put forward as an alternative to the assault weapons ban, and one of them is goddamn sticker on Amazon. You really are grasping at straws here.
I can understand the appeal for repealing the 2nd amendment, since a lot of people consider it too vague to have any real meaning, and the conservative loaded SC has determined that "well regulated militia" extends to groups of racist hilljacks in a pickup shooting unarmed black men.
That being said though... 39% of Dems oppose it, which means that the Democratic party as a whole is 61% in favor of keeping it.
So, are you gonna take the L and delete your comment, or are you gonna post another wall of bullshit that you didn't even bother to read before calling it gospel and spreading it over the fediverse?
39% support among Democrats. Not all Democrats, not a plurality, and not even a majority.
So those %39 aren't really Democrats? Got it...
Two of those fucking links went to the same stupid bill from 1994 that a handful of people put forward as an alternative to the assault weapons ban, and one of them is goddamn sticker on Amazon. You really are grasping at straws here.
Lol no they're not, and the Amazon link is for a book from a Democrat....but ok...
I can understand the appeal for repealing the 2nd amendment, since a lot of people consider it too vague to have any real meaning, and the conservative loaded SC has determined that "well regulated militia" extends to groups of racist hilljacks in a pickup shooting unarmed black men.
Yea no... it's only people who are antigun that find it vague... it's got commas and states two things. The people should be able to bear arms and that the militia should exist... because at that time both sides considered a standing army to be a no go...so history tells us it's not vague... just antigun groups do.
That being said though... 39% of Dems oppose it, which means that the Democratic party as a whole is 61% in favor of keeping it.
Lol...yea cause 39% is so little.
So, are you gonna take the L and delete your comment, or are you gonna post another wall of bullshit that you didn't even bother to read before calling it gospel and spreading it over the fediverse?
You mean are you going to keep whining because you don't know history and think dems are pro2a?
So those %39 aren’t really Democrats? Got it…
Strawman argument. My counter-point as a whole was not that everyone wants to keep the 2nd Amendment, but that Democrats do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment. It has less than 50% support in the party. To further express why you are attacking a strawman...
So those %8 aren't really Republicans? Got it...
Yea no… it’s only people who are antigun that find it vague…
I think the only people who find it straight-forward believe that any number of mass shootings, school shootings and random shootings is acceptable, as long as there are no more restrictions of any kind on their ability to purchase, sell, and use any weapon.
Also, most constitutional law scholars who had fucking doctorates in this shit find it vague.
Lol…yea cause 39% is so little.
Still <50%... Lol?
You mean are you going to keep whining because you don’t know history and think dems are pro2a?
Are you acting like you do know the history of 2A movents in the US? Don't make me laugh.
Anymore bullshit opinions pieces and Amazon links you want to spam here as "evidence"?
Strawman argument. My counter-point as a whole was not that everyone wants to keep the 2nd Amendment, but that Democrats do not want to repeal the 2nd amendment. It has less than 50% support in the party. To further express why you are attacking a strawman..
That's not what a strawman argument is, the original user stated that no dems want to ban the 2nd, I have clearly provided sources that state this is bullshit.
So those %8 aren't really Republicans? Got it...
This is a strawman, as it's not part of the original argument.
I think the only people who find it straight-forward believe that any number of mass shootings, school shootings and random shootings is acceptable, as long as there are no more restrictions of any kind on their ability to purchase, sell, and use any weapon.
Hey... another strawman....
Also, most constitutional law scholars who had fucking doctorates in this shit find it vague.
Yea no they don't, unless they're antigun, then it magically becomes vague.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Here there is an entire section dor scholarly comments.
Still <50%... Lol?
Lol yea cause 1/3rd is a tiny amount.....also straw man.
Are you acting like you do know the history of 2A movents in the US? Don't make me laugh.
Lol sure thing, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Anymore bullshit opinions pieces and Amazon links you want to spam here as "evidence"?
Ah left leaning sources that disagree with you are now ...bullshit...damn
Woooo boy. I really don't need to say anything here. Your previous comment pretty much cements you as a conservative troll, and anyone that makes it this far down is clearly going to see it.
Yea...not a conservative or a troll....but I guess that's what I get from arguing with people who can't back their shit up...you going to call me a nazi fascist next as well?
that’s what I get from arguing with people who can’t back their shit up…
Says the guy posting Amazon links and duplicates of the same old failed bill from 30 years ago as evidence for their claims that the current Democratic party wants to eliminate the second amendment.
that's what I get from arguing with people who can’t back their shit up…
Says the guy who thinks that 39% of a group holds more sway over policy than the remaining 61%
that’s what I get from arguing with people who can’t back their shit up…
Says the guy who literally tried to build a no-true-scotsman strawman 2 posts ago, and then just did DARVO shit when they got called on it.
There's only 2 options here. Either you're a conservative troll...Or, you are using conservative troll fallacies to "back up" conservative troll propaganda, and you just can't recognize it.
So what's it gonna be?
Says the guy posting Amazon links and duplicates of the same old failed bill from 30 years ago as evidence for their claims that the current Democratic party wants to eliminate the second amendment.
Yea a book and bills from Democrats...but it doesnt count.
Says the guy who thinks that 39% of a group holds more sway over policy than the remaining 61%
Lol head in sand
Says the guy who literally tried to build a no-true-scotsman strawman 2 posts ago, and then just did DARVO shit when they got called on it.
Rofl yea sure thing, it's sad that any criticism of the left, is met by the same "nuh uh" response as the right wing idiots. Also you're the one doing the no-true-scotsman by suggesting all of my links are not democrats...
There's only 2 options here. Either you're a conservative troll...Or, you are using conservative troll fallacies to "back up" conservative troll propaganda, and you just can't recognize it.
I'm not either, but you really should look in the mirror and ask yourself why your rebuttal is literally the same shit the idiots on the red team do.
So what's it gonna be?
It's gonna be, I'm getting tired of the deflection and you putting fingers in your ears... you're boring me now.
If we ever have the ability to repeal the 2A then the GOP is already in shambles and we'll have the opportunity to make all kinds of other reforms that makes it impossible for them to recover.