A somewhat common statement that I see made by internet leftists is that the denazification of Germany didn't go far enough. What is the history behind this assertion? Where can I read more about it?
A somewhat common statement that I see made by internet leftists is that the denazification of Germany didn't go far enough. What is the history behind this assertion? Where can I read more about it?
An event that comes to mind, is during a meeting where Stalin proposed they should execute basically all the Nazi leadership because they, you know, led and fought for literal genocide and fascist world domination. America and the UK effectively objected (the exact details are contested). The result was that the worst war criminals were relocated per Operation Paperclip, and the rest of the West German leadership were basically the same Nazi officers and bosses who were in charge pre-war. The leadership didn't fundamentally change in any way.
Michael parenti's blackshirts and reds covers this topic in some detail
Read The Destruction of Reason by Georg Lukács. It looks big but it is actually convertible to a mere 7 hours or so of posting online.
looks interesting. thanks
o7 any time, FYI: MR magazine had an article about it called The New Irrationalism which helped me figure out why people even recommended it to me in the first place so check that out first
Until well into the 1970s, the entire Bundeswehr and NATO's West Germany leadership were Nazis. I don't mean they were nationalists voting for whatever the proto AfD was, I mean that they were all actual card carrying Nazis who, prior to gaining their posts in 1945, had been shooting Allied troops and committing genocide, yet somehow avoided Nuremberg
For 30 years post war, the Bundeswehr was essentially just the Wehrmacht all over again in all but name
I pointed out to the lib i work with that NATO's head had been an actual Nazi and his response was "he says he was forced into it"; ah well then that settles it.
learning the number of Nazis actually executed at Nuremberg is wild lol
It's been a long time (I think it was an old Proles of the Round Table episode?) but I remember reading that when Germany reunified the West German state that essentially became the entire German state kicked people out of their houses to return the properties to Nazis and their descendants who'd had it seized in the aftermath of WW2 and German partition, so loath was the West German government to allow anyone to face the slightest consequence for being a Nazi.
EDIT: if anyone is interested in looking into this, the organization responsible was called the Treuhand I think? I believe it means Trust Agency or something like that.
In Blackshirts and Reds, Parenti also talks about how East German officials who prosecuted collaborators were, after reuinfication, held liable to West German laws that made their earlier rulings illegal.
From the footnote on page 83:Helene Heymann, who had been imprisoned during the Hitler regime for her anti-Nazi activities, later was a judge in the GDR, where she presided over anti-sabotage trials. She was put on trial in 1996. When her conviction was read out, it was pointed out by the judge that an additional factor against her was that she was trained by a Jewish lawyer who had been a defense attorney for the Communists and Social Democrats.
Yes Treuhand or THA. The RAF did a minecraft against the THA president Rohwedder at least. The rest is true as well, they bascially demolished everything in the east.
Thanks, this seems like exactly what I was looking for
There's a lot more that really indicates the nazi nature of both West Germany and the USA, like many Jews in concentration camps were kept in them for months and even more than a year for some after the end of the war. This was because West Germany didn't want them and neither did any other European countries or the USA. The Nazi POWs were also put in those camps... And put in charge of the Jews left there. Many Jews died in those camps long after the war ended.
Just real dark Fourth Reich shit.
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=1WFbTZ6rnXo&si=BeuCBxN65e2ICllA
And imperial core countries in general.
There were more Nazis in West Germany's justice department after WWII than during Third Reich for example
Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.
Nazis in post-WW2 Germany's government
From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.
Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler's rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.
Alot of nazis basically kept doing what they already did like in the US's operation bloodstone.
What happened to those Nazis after WW2? https://archive.org/stream/brownbook1965/brownbook1965_djvu.txt
The Brown Book proves that of the munber of supporters of the Hitler dicta¬ torship, initiators and exploiters of the persecution of Jews, organizers and com¬ manders of the attacks against almost every country in Europe and proven mur¬ derers of anti-fascists and resistance fighters, who are again at work in West Germany today ...
21 are ministers and state secretaries oi the Federal Republic;
100 are generals and admirals oi the Bundeswehr;
828 are high judicial oihcials, public prosecutors and judges;
245 are leading oihcials oi the Foreign Oifice, the Bonn embassies and con¬ sulates;
297 are high oihcers oi the Police Force and the Oihce lor the Protection oi the Constitution.
And this is only the initial list.
This Brown Book contains exclusively the names of such persons who really are seriously incriminated through their leading role in the preparation and perpetration of nazi crimes and acts of aggression, and who either participated in the mass slaughter directly, or on whose orders it was carried out, or who were the intellectual originators. In this connection it deliberately refrains from listing even such far from innocent persons as the West German head of government.
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I don't know the history well enough to give any examples that aren't modern, but it's pretty obvious to me that the Germans were never properly re-educated. They're still bloodthirsty assholes perpetuating genocide, they've only changed their target demographic.
Funny video with an example of what you're talking about
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Q4S0VjaMglE&si=xSHgvrkqFpDOSUPL
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The West German department tasked with prosecuting former Nazis was itself more Nazi than the 3rd Reich had managed https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-justice-system-contaminated-by-nazis-in-post-wwii-years-researchers-find/
This is a joke, but makes the point along w the adolf heusinger video https://youtu.be/Ang6Fw9Ff2k
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CW: Misogynistic and terrible depiction of gender
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On my way to the next liberated camp, I met some advance units of the Red Army that had occupied a German house. Soviet troops were closing in on Weimar in Eastern Germany. I was immediately embraced and pushed into a celebration already in progress. A glass of what I suppose was Vodka, or gasoline, was thrust into my hand. Everyone was stomping and dancing joyfully. A burly Soviet soldier, with pants stuffed into big black boots, grabbed me, lifted me off my feet and started swinging me around the room. It was only when I was put down that I realized that my dancing partner was a woman. The Soviet Army included females as well as males, but it was sometimes hard to tell which was which. One of the Russian soldiers asked me what I did in the American army. I told him I was a war crimes investigator. I explained that I tried to get evidence of what the SS did. “Don’t you know what they did?” he asked. I said that, of course, I did. “So why are you asking them?” he said quizzically. “Just shoot them!” In later years, when it became clear that we could never try more than a very small sampling of the criminals, and that almost all would escape punishment, I often thought of the advice I got from the simple Russian soldier. Being a lawman, I couldn’t accept it, but I often wondered if he was right.
Account from an American investigator of War Crimes. The West used "careful examination" as an excuse to be light on the Nazis.